Interview with Prahlad Das

Prahlad Das responds to Tim Lee's false statements about himself and other Prabhupadanugas.

Basically, in 1997-99 Sanat and Mukunda were objecting to the blaming of Srila Prabhupada (for the gurukuli abuse) in the Windle-Turley lawsuit. So Tim Lee decided to demonize them and label them as "child-choppers" which he has done for the last 20 years.

In 2013 Prahlad Das also objected, so Tim Lee has labelled him as "a child-eating demon" for the last 6 years. This is all to distract from the fact that the actual purpose of Tim Lee and Pratyatosa's lawsuit was to defame Prabhupada, having him be recorded forever in legal history as the complicit leader of a child abuse cult, thus enabling the abusers to go on with their abuses with no fear of future legal proceedings or punishment.

INTERVIEW LINK:

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Puranjana Supports Defamation of Srila Prabhupada:
http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/pada_defamation.html

PRATYATOSA DASA: 
"I'm convinced that if it weren't for the way in which Puranjana (Tim Lee) presented the relevant facts to the high powered lawyer, Windle Turley, the child abuse lawsuit, which reduced the number of gurukuli suicides almost to nil, would have never gotten off the ground. Therefore, I will be forever grateful to him for that reason alone." Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa (19/12/10)

Tim Lee (PADA1008): 
"I did not really "put together" the court case all myself. Pratyatosa contacted Turley and he agreed to take the case. I then helped by recruiting victims to sign up, altogether about 2,000 wanted to sign up. Turley wanted $1,000,000 for each victim so he cut it down to 500 thinking ISKCON could not pay $200M.."

JANMASTAMI SINKOWSKI:"..Those molested who took the lawsuit settlement money signed non-disclosure agreements,promising to repay all they took if they disclose the complaints they made. of the 706 filing, only 6 of us refused the settlement money and are still free to discuss such topics, without possible financial repercussions.."

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Tim Lee (PADA1008):
"Interesting that Prahlad said the only result of the lawsuit was that innocent people were going to have to pay a lot of money. OK people who are supporting a sexual predator school program are not innocent.."

PRAHLAD DAS:
"No. The other results of the Pratyatosa / Tim Lee / Windle Turdley 'prabhupada defamation' lawsuit were that many non-abusive, regular devotees were cast onto the streets as temples were closed to pay the $400.0000. Thanks to Tim and Pratyatosa, the actual abusers got off free and still control iskCON. Bhavananda is currently involved with the TOVP Mayapur project. This lawsuit ensured that they will not be prosecuted in the future as the abuse in iskCON continues. Don't the ex-Gurukulis want to see them brought to justice? The grown-up Gurukulis got paid off for their support of the defamation of Prabhupada as the controller of a child-abuse cult, while letting the actual abusers walk free. I hope they think it was worth it."

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PRAHLAD DAS:
 "I find it rather ironic (and sickening) that self-proclaimed "saviour of the children" Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana) is a good friend and supporter of convicted child-abuser Tattva Darshan. After Tattva's release from prison he was given shelter at iskCON Bangalore by Madhu Pandit where he was allowed to give classes. He is now back in India running his child-abuse project disguised as a Krishna School. The locals call it "the American Fu*k House". Child-Saviour Tim seems to have forgotten to mention any of this. It would appear that he thinks it is more important to spend all his time demonising others for the unforgivable crime of standing up for Srila Prabhupada."

LINK: Tim Lee (Puranjana) supports convicted child-abuser

Tattva Darshan's ongoing child abuse project in Karnataka, supported by Tim Lee, Mahasringa and others. LINK:BEV Village School

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Hear how Srila Prabhupada ordered the Gurukul to be closed as soon as he heard of abuse:

Was Srila Prabhupada Poisoned? (The Evidence)

READ HERE: Kill Guru Become Guru (Book One) pdf

 You try to trace out the history of the world, you’ll find always persons who are for Krsna or God, they have been persecuted. Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, Haridasa Thakura was caned in twenty-two market places, Prahlada Maharaja was tortured by his father. So there may be such things. Of course, Krsna will protect us. So don’t be afraid. Don’t be afraid if somebody tortures us, somebody teases us. We must go on with Krsna consciousness without any hesitation, and Krsna will give us protect. (Srimad Bhagavatam 7.9.8 Lecture Seattle 21/10/68) 

titiksavah karunikah
suhrdah sarva-bhutanam
ajata-satravah santah
sadhavah sadhu-bhusanah

   This is the qualification of sadhu. Sadhu is titiksava, tolerates all kinds of miserable conditions. He is sadhu. Because this is a place of miserable condition. A sadhu learns how to tolerate. Sadhu is never disturbed. Yasmin sthito gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. A sadhu, who has got the shelter of Krsna, if he is placed in the severest type of dangerous condition, he is never disturbed.
   Just like Prahlada Maharaja, his father was putting him in so many dangerous conditions, even he was supplying with poison. He knew that “My father has given me poison to drink. All right, let me drink. If Krsna likes, He will save me. I am now put into such dangerous position. I have to drink. Father is giving poison. Who can check?” And such a big powerful Hiranyakasipu. The mother cried, requested... He forced the mother, Prahlada’s mother, “Give your son this poison.” So she begged so much, but he was a rascal demon. “No, you must give.” So the mother knew, the son knew that the rascal father is giving this poison. What can he do, a small child? “All right, let me drink.” Gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. He is not agitating. “All right, if Krsna likes, I will live.” This is the position of sadhu. He is not disturbed. Titiksavah. In all circumstances, he is tolerant. That is sadhu. Sadhu does not become disturbed. Titiksavah. At the same time, karunikah. He is himself disturbed, but he is merciful to others.
   Just like Jesus Christ. He is being crucified, and still he is merciful: “God, these people do not know what they are doing. Please excuse them.” This is sadhu. He is personally being disturbed by the demons, but still, he is merciful to the general people. They are suffering for want of Krsna consciousness. So even up to the point of death, he is trying to preach Krsna consciousness. “Let the people be benefited. Eh, what is this material body? Even if I am killed, I am not killed. This body is killed, that’s all.” This is sadhu. Titiksavah karunikah. In one side he is tolerant, and other side, merciful. (Bhagavad-gita 1.21-22 Lecture London 18/7/73)

    When something is arranged by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one should not be disturbed by it, even if it appears to be a reverse according to one’s calculations. For example, sometimes we see that a powerful preacher is killed, or sometimes he is put into difficulty, just as Haridasa Thakura was. He was a great devotee who came into this material world to execute the will of the Lord by preaching the Lord’s glories. But Haridasa was punished at the hands of the Kazi by being beaten in twenty-two marketplaces. Similarly, Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, and Prahlada Maharaja was put through so many tribulations.
    The Pandavas, who were direct friends of Krsna, lost their kingdom, their wife was insulted, and they had to undergo many severe tribulations. Seeing all these reverses affect devotees, one should not be disturbed; one should simply understand that in these matters there must be some plan of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Bhagavatam’s conclusion is that a devotee is never disturbed by such reverses. He accepts even reverse conditions as the grace of the Lord. One who continues to serve the Lord even in reverse conditions is assured that he will go back to Godhead, back to the Vaikuntha planets. (Srimad Bhagavatam 3.16.37 purport)

     This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Krsna movement. In India also, although India’s... They will want to crush down this movement. So this will be up to Him. Krsna or Krsna’s movement, the same thing. And Krsna was attempted to be killed by Kamsa class of men and his company, the demons. SO IT WILL BE THERE; IT IS ALREADY THERE. Don’t be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Krsna’s favor is there, because Krsna and Krsna’s movement is not different, identical. So as Krsna was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared... At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killed. SO THERE MAY BE ATTEMPT LIKE THAT. And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO. (Conversation Honolulu 3/5/76)

    So there are these snake-like persons. They are envious about our movement, and they are opposing. That is the nature. Prahlada Maharaja also was opposed by his father, what to speak of others THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN... HE WAS ALSO SERVED WITH POISON. (Srimad Bhagavatam Lecture Mayapur 28/02/77)

THAT IS MY ONLY REQUEST, THAT AT THE LAST STAGE DON’T TORTURE ME AND PUT ME TO DEATH.
(Room Conversation Vrindavan 3/11/77)

PADA: 'Prahlad is a Child-Eating Demon' !!!

PADA (Tim Lee / Puranjana / krishna1008):

As soon as someone says, we need to follow the directives of Srila Prabhupada, then the GBC, Prahlad types, the Jaipur For Truth (HKC), they all say in unison "this must be stopped"! That makes them servants of the GBC, who also wants this process stopped. Why do they always want to stop the worship of the pure devotee, and attack anyone who is worshiping the pure devotee?.. Why do the Jaipur for Truth folks openly oppose making Srila Prabhupada the giver of initiations and his being the focus of the initiates, and they want to torpedo anyone doing that?.. Right, as soon as someone says Srila Prabhupada is the person we need to have faith in, then the Jaipur for Truth people say -- attack, attack, attack...

Well there is it, Vyasa pooja for Srila Prabhupada is something we need to have stopped, and the JFT folks are helping the GBC and Rocana do that... Oh heaven's no, we cannot go back to pre-1977 where Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya! That has to be stopped, and the GBC and their dedicated pals at JFT people are out to stop it... GBC and their servants at JFT are mis-directing everyone to cause confusion, as they have all along since 1978.

Janardana Das:

What is Puranjana Dasa (Tim Lee) talking about? He has zero basis, its’ 100% distortion and lies. Did he even acknowledge the fact that Hare Krishna Community devotees have been the target of attacks and harassment at all? He took HKC’s sincere complaints against Akshaya Patra devotees and the terror they have been causing and reversed them, completely flipped the actual truth of the matter to point the blame towards HKC as the instigators. You can easily read through poor Tim’s rhetoric and see his bias towards Bangalore. He is not impartial whatsoever. I would imagine he gets some sort of compensation for his propaganda666 blog, from Bangalore/Yasodanandana.

An impartial eye is crucial on this issue, unfortunately most devotees have taken shelter in Bangalore because “they are the only ones doing anything”, which is not true, they are the most well funded undoubtedly. Jaipur HKC is doing awesome preaching in the name of Prabhupada and there are also other small time temples/homes or farms that are also working sincerely towards Prabhupadas mission. Bangalore is trying to OWN the term “Prabhupadanuga” and make a central power under their control/agenda, using their GBC. This is clearly Machiavellian/demoniac tactics as Srila Prabhupada wanted every temple to be independent and locally governed/run. This is why Jaipur HKC devotees and ANY OTHER sincere devotees who want a Prabhupadanuga program apart from the control mechanisms of Bangalore are in danger and facing these aggressions. I feel this is a very important issue at this point, that for too long has gone unnoticed and unchecked.. Jiv Jago..

Prahlad Das:

Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) is #1 hypocrite as it is he who is doing all the personal attacks and mud-slinging. This is all he has done for 30+ years. He (and his little gang of bad-mannered, low-intelligence followers) are the reason why the Prabhupadanuga ‘ritviks’ are seen as offensive, fanatical, crazy, liars, etc.. His job is to defame the real Prabhupadanugas (except IB/AP Corporation) and cause fighting between them. He is paid-up cheerleader of ISKCON Bangalore and acts under the orders of Yasodanandana (IB’s ‘Western advisor’ & GBC). He likes to take the credit for the services of others, then demonises those devotees. He is seen, and promoted, by many 'ritvik' devotees who think he is some kind of leader of the Prabhupadanugas, but he is only a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They have fallen for his decades of lies and distortions. He is not even a devotee.

Now he is attacking, demonising & offending the genuine, sincere Prabhupadanugas from HKC Jaipur. He has gone too far. The worldwide Prabhupadanugas should demand that he and Madhu Pandit will stop their un-Vaisnava and low-class behaviour towards those who are sincerely trying to push on Prabhupada’s mission and strictly follow all of his instructions. They should meet for Istaghosti and resolve these issues, but so far they have only set their attack dog (Puranjana) on anybody who disagrees with them in any way. What kind of ‘devotees’ will continue to behave like this?

PADA (Tim Lee / Puranjana / krishna1008):

Right, as soon as we said (A) there was no guru appointment, (B) children are being abused, (C) books are being changed, (D) Srila Prabhupada is being poisoned etc., then the GBC and their agents like Prahlad called us "mud-slinging" -- for 30+ years. Sorry, we were and are right on all these issues. 

Notice, anyone who says child abuse is bad is -- mud slinging. Anyone who says homosexual pedophiles are not messiahs is "speaking mud for 30+ years." OK, so that means Prahlad wants the deviants to be his worshiped messiahs, and no one should object? That is how these people kept the child molesting going on for such a long time, they chopped the legs off our protest by calling us mud slingers, instead of saying, wow, we have to join PADA and STOP this child abuse. Right, anyone who objects to deviants posing as messiahs is slinging mud, this is how Prahlad and his GBC got Sulochana killed, hundreds of children molested, and so on and so forth. The GBC / Prahlad group demonizes anyone who protests the molester messiahs, and this gets us people killed. 

What will be the result of protecting and defending child abuse by saying anyone who protests is slinging mud? The abuse will continue, plain and simple. Prahlad thinks we should not object to child abuse, because its simply slinging mud. OK its very clear, he is defending the perverts and abusers by saying we should not criticize them. That is because, rather self evidently, he is with the perverts, he loves them so much so that he is infuriated with our exposing his favorite program. Anyone who resists child abuse is a mud slinger, ok, he is in favor of the child abusers.

If anyone who objects to homosexuals and pedophiles is slinging mud, that self-evidently means Prahlad loves the pedophiles process. This is basically what happened post -1977, anyone who was against child abuse was a mud slinging demon. And that is what not only the bogus GBC folks said, but the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad team said, our objecting to child abuse is "mud slinging." Anyone who says children need to be protected is -- slinging mud? That apparently means, they think child abuse is good and normal, because anyone who objects "slings mud," ok they seem to think child molesting is wonderful and good, and protesting child abuse is mud. That is how these thinkers protected that program all along. And now, they are proud that so many were victimized because they shot down our protest as "mud"? And got some of us killed?

Calling us names is how the GBC / Prahlad types promoted and protected the child molester program in the first place. And this is amazing, they are actually proud so many children were abused, because still think that anyone who objected to the child abuse program was slinging mud, because quite self-evidently, they love the child abuse program. 

What amazes us is -- that after it has been proven that there was a big problem here, and we were right to complain about it, the defenders of the child abuse program are still angry that -- we exposed this program. In sum, they are in love with the child abuse program. Even Wyatt says, oh this is all PADA's lies. Nope, hundreds of witnesses submitted legal affadavits that we are right on this issue. We wish it was "all lies" (more folks have provided more details to us recently to verify these problems).

And so the GBC and their barking dog Prahlad are angry we exposed this abuse issue, instead of being happy that in 1997 we helped get hundreds of kids pulled out of these abusive schools, as happened after 1997 when we went after this program. Prahlad apparently wanted these hundreds of kids to stay in the schools and the status quo of the molester messiah's program to continue, because he is with them saying this is all mud slinging. Our stopping that anti-children program is simply mud, that is all Krishna's dear children are to these people, a pile of mud. Children are simply meat on a hook to be exploited for these people. Damn good thing we exposed them and objected, and got these hundreds of kids pulled out! We for sure did the right thing to save hundreds of children from the child-eating demon Prahlad's group!

Prahlad says our saving these children's lives is simply mud, he thinks children are simply mud to be crushed down to dust. Children are simply piles of mud and dirt for these people, as one of the ex-children to us "we were simply a piece of meat to be passed around." And Prahlad is with that group because he is angry we exposed this, and saved kids from his meat hooks program. Every time we say there was a child molesting problem, Prahlad is saying that is mud slinging, these children are piles of mud to be exploited, ok very obvious, he loves the child abuser program. The HKC had better write something to distance themselves from this ideology, because Prahlad is acting as their spokesman.

Some GBC goondas and their hero Prahlad say the words of the pure devotee are ALSO all mud, and we are bad for promoting all these materials. In sum, Prahlad is just like many of the GBC, he is infuriated we published these materials. Notice, for many of the bogus GBC and their supporters like Prahlad, the words of the pure devotee are "mud," and children are even worse mud, everything that is important to Srila Prabhupada (his children and his words) is all mud for these people, because it exposes their real program to exploit children and these words.  

Thus! These people are infuriated that we are getting out the words of the pure devotee. In other words, people like Prahad love bogus appointed gurus, love child molesters. love book changers, and of course love poisoners of pure devotees, because as soon as anyone objects to these vile actions of these crooks -- the bogus sectors of the GBC and their attack dog Prahlad attack the people who object. That means they want the criminals to win, because Prahlad is joining hands with the bogus parts of the GBC to attack anyone who exposes these crimes.

This is why these crimes have been going on, because the lovers of the criminals are infuriated that we are attacking their criminal operations. The bogus parts of the GBC wanted to have us killed, and recently Prahlad said he is working with some deviant GBC goons to get us killed. In other words, anyone who publishes Srila Prabhupada's materials is distributing mud. As Sulochana used to say, people like Prahlad are boot lickers for the deviant gurus. As soon as we expose these problems, we are slinging mud, and that defends the evil doers.

Yes the bogus GBC / Prahlad das / HKC  puzzle is all finally all fitting together. You got it! You are correct, the bogus GBC, Dayalu nitai, HKC, Prahlad group -- are ALL stomping their jack boots in unison, saying that we ALL have to accept the GBC's homosexual pedophile acharyas program -- because the Dayarama courts accept and endorse that program, and ruled in favor of that process. Yes, they ARE ALL saying child molester messiahs programs are authorized, if the courts approve of that program. I would not say what you are, that they have dog's turds for brains, its actually worse than that, they are deviants. Its not a question of loss of intelligence, they support deviations. Even people with "dog turds for brains" do not support pedophile messiah programs, even the most ignorant people have way more sense than this, they do not support such deviations. We have reviewed a number of letters from these Prahlad / HKC people -- and they all say they agree that the Dayarama pedophile guru's process is bona fide -- since the courts approve and support that program and its leaders.

Yep! They ALL agree and say that homosexual pedophile guru programs are bona fide "if  the courts approve" such programs. They have lost all connection to Srila Prabhupada, or never had any in the first place. Yep, you are also correct, the same bogus GBC / HKC / Prahlad "bona fide courts" also "approve" abortion, female baby-cide, meat eating, alcohol, drugs, pornography, tossing baby chicks into meat grinders -- and only Yamaraja knows the list of what else their wonderful courts are approving. They accept as bona fide authority the courts that approve all this, and bogus GBC / HKC / Prahlad are infuriated we exposed their pedophile messiahs program because they are ALL in support of the Dayarama courts.

In sum, they ALL accept not only secular courts, but they ALL accept the authority of pedophile messiah programs if these bogus courts support such programs. Yes, they ALL agree with the courts who approve of pedophile messiahs programs, as Sulochan used to say, "birds of a feather flop together." Yes, secular authority is bogus for all the reasons stated above. Yes, these people are collectively trying to destroy the Hare Krishna religion, we agree.

Prahlad says anyone who publishes Srila Prabhupada's materials is slinging mud. Prahlad says anyone who exposes child molesters and saves hundred of children by getting them pulled out, is slinging mud. Prahlad says anyone who helps a lawsuit to get original books is slinging mud because these books are all mud. Prahlad says anyone who exposes Srila Prabhupada being poisoned is slinging mud, because he loves Judas. Thats its. HKC, you better take notice of all this.

http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/prahlad-writes-pada-update.html

Prahlad Das:

BUT... I'm not saying ANY of those things... NEVER have... NEVER will... Neither are any of the devotees of HKC Jaipur!
I am NOT 'GBC' or 'authority' for any group or person anywhere!
I've been a strict Vegetarian for 30+ years, so NO CHILD-EATING either!

PS - The only devotees using & accepting the authority of the "Jesus-killing", "abortion-approving" demoniac courts (and paying them millions!) are bogus GBC ISKCON and ISKCON Bangalore... And Tim himself of course, when he was happy to use the court to blame Prabhupada for the child-abuse in his & Pratyatosa's Windle-Turley lawsuit.

Puranjana dragged to Hell by Yamadutas (Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 4)

Jaipur HKC Prabhupadanugas 'Struggle For Truth'

Why are Madhu Pandit's Akshaya Patra devotees disturbing the preaching of Dayalu Nitai and the Prabhupadanuga devotees of Hare Krishna Community (HKC) Jaipur?

Hare Krishna Community Jaipur

JAIPUR STRUGGLE FOR TRUTH 1

JAIPUR STRUGGLE FOR TRUTH 2

Srila Prabhupada's devotees of HKC Jaipur

Soon after ISKCON Bangalore arrived in Jaipur and built their Akshaya Patra temple, some of the devotees staying there have been maliciously disrupting the preaching activities of the Hare Krishna Community devotees (who were already established and preaching successfully in Jaipur for years). IB/AP wanted HKC to move 200 miles away to Jodhpur and become another of their AP branches, but HKC wanted to continue their services in Jaipur and remain independent as Srila Prabhupada instructed.

“I wish that each and every branch shall keep their separate identity and cooperate keeping the acharya in the center. On this principle we can open any number of branches all over the world. The RamaKrishna mission works on this principle and thus as an organization they have done wonderfully.” (Prabhupada Letter, February 11, 1967)

HKC have been trying for 4-5 years to arrange an istaghosti meeting with Madhu Pandit and other IB/AP senior devotees to peacefully resolve this problem but so far they have all refused to participate. Now, since this matter has became public, ISKCON Bangalore are blatantly mis-representing and ignoring the true facts. Instead of meeting to settle this issue they are now trying to further defame and demonize Dayalu Nitai & the HKC devotees on their official 'ISKCON Truth' & 'ISKCON Times' websites by saying that HKC are "attacking Madhu Pandit", trying to link them to Dayaram, Radhanath & the bogus-ISKCON GBC, saying they are "using Akshaya Patra's name/logo to collect donations", calling Dayalu Nitai a "crook", saying they "support homosexual acaryas" and "sympathise with the bogus-guru program" and so on, without presenting ANY actual evidence for these offensive FALSE accusations:

Prabhupadanugas against Madhu Pandit Dasa: Truth Revealed ?!

“Apaisunam means that one should not find fault with others or correct them unnecessarily. Of course to call a thief a thief is not faultfinding, but to call an honest person a thief is very much offensive for one who is making advancement in spiritual life.” (Bhagavad-gita 16.1-3)

UPDATE 11/5/14: As well as not allowing any comments on their "Truth Revealed" articles on their 'ISKCON Times' and 'ISKCON Truth' websites, IB group are also deleting all the comments made on their 'ISKCON Truth' FB page. Around 20 comments made by various devotees were deleted yesterday. So much for "Truth" (the last leg of Dharma in Kali-yuga).

'Shills and the Owning of Truth' by Krishna Kirtan Das

One thing that becomes evident quickly is how Puranjana's (Tim Lee/PADA/krishna1008) style of communication only benefits the bad guys, Alex Jones style. I have personally banned Tim Lee from my FaceBook wall long ago, and he knows why.

What kind of tactic is this? I don't care to find out who these guys really are (I highly suspect), but I will say this.

The manipulative individuals in this atheistic society running behind the scenes know well what is really going on from the very early beginning. Since they know that the truth can not be hidden, they come in early and appropriate themselves of it (own the narrative); in other words, become the 'owners' of the truth, start disseminating actual truth and subsequently gaining some credibility, but then later start to mix lies and misinformation within their material. And there is one key element: focus only on what's bad but never offer tangible solutions and never show interest in engaging in any type of honest dialog with others who may challenge their tone, in fact attack them instead. In other words, Cointel: Infiltrate your group, create disruption, and run off the reasonable pacifists within the group. That way the actually good and sincere can never influence or speak.

Not only that, but the Alex Jones style is all very well known now in all circles. That guy has been totally exposed as a hateful shill.

Anyway, so what ends up happening? That kind of approach actually ends up waking up some people in the course of their history, but for the most part alienating a whole host of others, because most thoughtful people and innocent objective truth seekers (which is the majority), are not interested in listening CONSTANTLY (I say constantly) to words such as "molester-messiahs, penis, child-chopping, homosexual pedophiles, penetrating this and that, kill, kill, kill, etc." on a constant basis. All things which may be true to a certain extent but the message carries a special mix: the CONSTANT endless tirade of hate. Not that some of it may not be justified, but the incessant use of non-objectivity is exactly their ultimate goal and objective. Tim Lee's record for instance shows precisely this.

This gets people, who don't see their game, divided and alienated (or accepting and partaking of his hate, great isn't it?), or hating the messenger and subsequently the message, or altogether dismissing any real objective facts, or worse yet: not learning anything at all and simply going away. Back to sleep!...

What motivates them to act in this way? Very simple. It's just a way to block the DOOR from the massive influx of the genuine who are interested in truth, which is a river flow. See, most people have 'normal' lives, are reasonable, therefore you must know HOW to talk with them, not simply WHAT to tell them. But instead what they do is simply alienate everyone on purpose, stealthy done sometimes over long periods of time.

So even within the awakened group of individuals, what happens? When such people are given the microphone and/or own it, everyone spends their time on the so-called 'justified' hate being spilled and not enough time on what really matters, which is the truth as it SHOULD be spoken and presented!

Tim Lee's material is a perfect example of hateful speech going on for decades.

My research informs me that this all simply a tactic, documented by many others in all branches of truth movements. If they were actually interested in truth, everyone would (and can) use a little more discretion in their manner of speech. Besides, all the 'hate' that needed to be said, has been already said NUMEROUS times. When is it ever going to stop? In the view of the shill it should never stop!

Over the years I did wake up to some of the things going around by reading Puranjana's material, but my reading of it was just enough to extract what I needed from it. His tone actually alienated me so much (it never changed) that I had considered him incoherent and unqualified to be speaking. His so-called leadership in these matters actually made me stay away from it all.

Swimming the river upstream can get pretty intense, because while learning the truth, being confronted with hard evidence, you nevertheless find that who is out there representing such evidence are elements who carry the tone and choice of presentation on par with the satanic urban dictionary.

As for myself, I never took him as some kind of superhero. I always felt that if I wanted to learn the truth I would have to read and learn from all, even the enemy's material. In other words, I had to think for myself, research for myself.

I would dare say that placing Puranjana (Tim Lee) as some kind of hero is simply fanatic excitement on the part of a newcomer, as if he/she has finally found their messiah. Not only that, but if Puranjana was for real he would humble himself and not be constantly bragging about what he claims he did, how much he did, or how incredible he thinks he is. (eg. saving the ex-Gurukulis from a 'suicide-epidemic).

All super heroic acts? Not really. His so-called heroic act in drumming up the Gurukuli lawsuit, simply contributed to something which was actually drafted and designed to further destroy ISKCON from within and from without, both sides cooperating from their respective positions.

Puranjana did alright, although I still suspect him of either having lack of communication etiquette (incompetence) or of working for the bad guys, likely both. Alex Jones did alright too, just like all the other 'truther' shills, including one of the most thoughtful and eloquent, namely David Icke, and others. All rascals!

(Krishna Kirtan)

'Fighting Lies With Truth - Not More Lies' by IRM (2000)

It seems ironic that just when so many persons are trying to move out of the past era of GBC untruth and onto the path of truth by joining the IRM, Puranjana is moving in the opposite direction as he progressively degenerates into a vicious circle of lies and more lies. We may have all lied and cheated in the past whilst we were in the illusion of the GBC's bogus program, but Puranjana is doing it NOW in the name of Prabhupada and reform, and he claims to never have been in illusion.

Puranjana does deserve credit for having over the years made many valid criticisms of the GBC and its deviant philosophies. He sees, quite rightly, the current guru system as bogus. However if we claim to want to reform ISKCON, yet indulge in the same type of lying, distortion and egotism we accuse the GBC of, then how will we actually succeed in our efforts, or indeed improve anything (even if we did succeed in our efforts)? It will simply be a case of the 'same wine, in a new bottle'. He needs to consider that the rapid success of the IRM has indeed been due to this attempt to adhere to the evidence and truth in all circumstances, even when it may not appear to benefit us in the short-term. Ultimately it will be truth that will power us to victory, not any short-term expedient measures. We hope this article will inspire Puranjana to look deeper within himself and work on self-reform, and edit the anarthas that he sees so clearly in the GBC, out of his own life. In doing so he will be much more effective in his campaign, and a valuable asset rather than just another variation of the GBC lying machine. Puranjana clearly wants to see the current Guru system dismantled. The IRM is dedicated to doing just this, and is currently engaged in a legal battle, as well as many other measures, to bring about the necessary changes. We hope Puranjana will be able to assist this battle once he has been able to suitably re-orientate himself back towards the path of truth.

In conclusion we wish to state that we have no desire to enter into any more discussions on this issue. We will let the matter rest here and get back to our real work of re-instating Srila Prabhupada's orders. It should be very clear to everyone by now where the IRM stands and where PADA stands. We are not concerned with whatever new fabrications that Puranjana may try and 'hit back' with. He has been caught well and truly here with his hands in the cookie jar, and exposed as lying, and no amount of further mud-slinging at the IRM will ever change that. We hope his well-wishers will urge him to see sense and give up such attacks. Even in Kali-Yuga it is said that the 'last leg of religion' - 'truthfulness' - is still standing. It seems ironic that vaisnavas are unable to maintain even this minimum level of religiosity.

Satyam ki vijayate!

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada, IRM

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Nara Narayan Vishwakarma Speaks about Puranjana AKA Tim Lee (YouTube Video)

"Over the years, i feel that he has developed a very unhealthy mental condition that you could say is perhaps perverted, because he is obsessed with illegal <indistinct> and ugly, kinky sex which he then just hides by pointing the finger at the GBC and "gurus". [..] He's not a hero for anybody.. particularly Srila Prabhupada. I swear, he is AGAINST everyone who is FOR Srila Prabhupada.."

'The Importance of Truthfulness' - Srila Prabhupada

"Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are, for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth." (Bhagavad-gita 10.4-5 purport)