PADA: 'Prahlad is a Child-Eating Demon' !!!

PADA (Tim Lee / Puranjana / krishna1008):

As soon as someone says, we need to follow the directives of Srila Prabhupada, then the GBC, Prahlad types, the Jaipur For Truth (HKC), they all say in unison "this must be stopped"! That makes them servants of the GBC, who also wants this process stopped. Why do they always want to stop the worship of the pure devotee, and attack anyone who is worshiping the pure devotee?.. Why do the Jaipur for Truth folks openly oppose making Srila Prabhupada the giver of initiations and his being the focus of the initiates, and they want to torpedo anyone doing that?.. Right, as soon as someone says Srila Prabhupada is the person we need to have faith in, then the Jaipur for Truth people say -- attack, attack, attack...

Well there is it, Vyasa pooja for Srila Prabhupada is something we need to have stopped, and the JFT folks are helping the GBC and Rocana do that... Oh heaven's no, we cannot go back to pre-1977 where Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya! That has to be stopped, and the GBC and their dedicated pals at JFT people are out to stop it... GBC and their servants at JFT are mis-directing everyone to cause confusion, as they have all along since 1978.

Janardana Das:

What is Puranjana Dasa (Tim Lee) talking about? He has zero basis, its’ 100% distortion and lies. Did he even acknowledge the fact that Hare Krishna Community devotees have been the target of attacks and harassment at all? He took HKC’s sincere complaints against Akshaya Patra devotees and the terror they have been causing and reversed them, completely flipped the actual truth of the matter to point the blame towards HKC as the instigators. You can easily read through poor Tim’s rhetoric and see his bias towards Bangalore. He is not impartial whatsoever. I would imagine he gets some sort of compensation for his propaganda666 blog, from Bangalore/Yasodanandana.

An impartial eye is crucial on this issue, unfortunately most devotees have taken shelter in Bangalore because “they are the only ones doing anything”, which is not true, they are the most well funded undoubtedly. Jaipur HKC is doing awesome preaching in the name of Prabhupada and there are also other small time temples/homes or farms that are also working sincerely towards Prabhupadas mission. Bangalore is trying to OWN the term “Prabhupadanuga” and make a central power under their control/agenda, using their GBC. This is clearly Machiavellian/demoniac tactics as Srila Prabhupada wanted every temple to be independent and locally governed/run. This is why Jaipur HKC devotees and ANY OTHER sincere devotees who want a Prabhupadanuga program apart from the control mechanisms of Bangalore are in danger and facing these aggressions. I feel this is a very important issue at this point, that for too long has gone unnoticed and unchecked.. Jiv Jago..

Prahlad Das:

Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) is #1 hypocrite as it is he who is doing all the personal attacks and mud-slinging. This is all he has done for 30+ years. He (and his little gang of bad-mannered, low-intelligence followers) are the reason why the Prabhupadanuga ‘ritviks’ are seen as offensive, fanatical, crazy, liars, etc.. His job is to defame the real Prabhupadanugas (except IB/AP Corporation) and cause fighting between them. He is paid-up cheerleader of ISKCON Bangalore and acts under the orders of Yasodanandana (IB’s ‘Western advisor’ & GBC). He likes to take the credit for the services of others, then demonises those devotees. He is seen, and promoted, by many 'ritvik' devotees who think he is some kind of leader of the Prabhupadanugas, but he is only a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They have fallen for his decades of lies and distortions. He is not even a devotee.

Now he is attacking, demonising & offending the genuine, sincere Prabhupadanugas from HKC Jaipur. He has gone too far. The worldwide Prabhupadanugas should demand that he and Madhu Pandit will stop their un-Vaisnava and low-class behaviour towards those who are sincerely trying to push on Prabhupada’s mission and strictly follow all of his instructions. They should meet for Istaghosti and resolve these issues, but so far they have only set their attack dog (Puranjana) on anybody who disagrees with them in any way. What kind of ‘devotees’ will continue to behave like this?

PADA (Tim Lee / Puranjana / krishna1008):

Right, as soon as we said (A) there was no guru appointment, (B) children are being abused, (C) books are being changed, (D) Srila Prabhupada is being poisoned etc., then the GBC and their agents like Prahlad called us "mud-slinging" -- for 30+ years. Sorry, we were and are right on all these issues. 

Notice, anyone who says child abuse is bad is -- mud slinging. Anyone who says homosexual pedophiles are not messiahs is "speaking mud for 30+ years." OK, so that means Prahlad wants the deviants to be his worshiped messiahs, and no one should object? That is how these people kept the child molesting going on for such a long time, they chopped the legs off our protest by calling us mud slingers, instead of saying, wow, we have to join PADA and STOP this child abuse. Right, anyone who objects to deviants posing as messiahs is slinging mud, this is how Prahlad and his GBC got Sulochana killed, hundreds of children molested, and so on and so forth. The GBC / Prahlad group demonizes anyone who protests the molester messiahs, and this gets us people killed. 

What will be the result of protecting and defending child abuse by saying anyone who protests is slinging mud? The abuse will continue, plain and simple. Prahlad thinks we should not object to child abuse, because its simply slinging mud. OK its very clear, he is defending the perverts and abusers by saying we should not criticize them. That is because, rather self evidently, he is with the perverts, he loves them so much so that he is infuriated with our exposing his favorite program. Anyone who resists child abuse is a mud slinger, ok, he is in favor of the child abusers.

If anyone who objects to homosexuals and pedophiles is slinging mud, that self-evidently means Prahlad loves the pedophiles process. This is basically what happened post -1977, anyone who was against child abuse was a mud slinging demon. And that is what not only the bogus GBC folks said, but the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad team said, our objecting to child abuse is "mud slinging." Anyone who says children need to be protected is -- slinging mud? That apparently means, they think child abuse is good and normal, because anyone who objects "slings mud," ok they seem to think child molesting is wonderful and good, and protesting child abuse is mud. That is how these thinkers protected that program all along. And now, they are proud that so many were victimized because they shot down our protest as "mud"? And got some of us killed?

Calling us names is how the GBC / Prahlad types promoted and protected the child molester program in the first place. And this is amazing, they are actually proud so many children were abused, because still think that anyone who objected to the child abuse program was slinging mud, because quite self-evidently, they love the child abuse program. 

What amazes us is -- that after it has been proven that there was a big problem here, and we were right to complain about it, the defenders of the child abuse program are still angry that -- we exposed this program. In sum, they are in love with the child abuse program. Even Wyatt says, oh this is all PADA's lies. Nope, hundreds of witnesses submitted legal affadavits that we are right on this issue. We wish it was "all lies" (more folks have provided more details to us recently to verify these problems).

And so the GBC and their barking dog Prahlad are angry we exposed this abuse issue, instead of being happy that in 1997 we helped get hundreds of kids pulled out of these abusive schools, as happened after 1997 when we went after this program. Prahlad apparently wanted these hundreds of kids to stay in the schools and the status quo of the molester messiah's program to continue, because he is with them saying this is all mud slinging. Our stopping that anti-children program is simply mud, that is all Krishna's dear children are to these people, a pile of mud. Children are simply meat on a hook to be exploited for these people. Damn good thing we exposed them and objected, and got these hundreds of kids pulled out! We for sure did the right thing to save hundreds of children from the child-eating demon Prahlad's group!

Prahlad says our saving these children's lives is simply mud, he thinks children are simply mud to be crushed down to dust. Children are simply piles of mud and dirt for these people, as one of the ex-children to us "we were simply a piece of meat to be passed around." And Prahlad is with that group because he is angry we exposed this, and saved kids from his meat hooks program. Every time we say there was a child molesting problem, Prahlad is saying that is mud slinging, these children are piles of mud to be exploited, ok very obvious, he loves the child abuser program. The HKC had better write something to distance themselves from this ideology, because Prahlad is acting as their spokesman.

Some GBC goondas and their hero Prahlad say the words of the pure devotee are ALSO all mud, and we are bad for promoting all these materials. In sum, Prahlad is just like many of the GBC, he is infuriated we published these materials. Notice, for many of the bogus GBC and their supporters like Prahlad, the words of the pure devotee are "mud," and children are even worse mud, everything that is important to Srila Prabhupada (his children and his words) is all mud for these people, because it exposes their real program to exploit children and these words.  

Thus! These people are infuriated that we are getting out the words of the pure devotee. In other words, people like Prahad love bogus appointed gurus, love child molesters. love book changers, and of course love poisoners of pure devotees, because as soon as anyone objects to these vile actions of these crooks -- the bogus sectors of the GBC and their attack dog Prahlad attack the people who object. That means they want the criminals to win, because Prahlad is joining hands with the bogus parts of the GBC to attack anyone who exposes these crimes.

This is why these crimes have been going on, because the lovers of the criminals are infuriated that we are attacking their criminal operations. The bogus parts of the GBC wanted to have us killed, and recently Prahlad said he is working with some deviant GBC goons to get us killed. In other words, anyone who publishes Srila Prabhupada's materials is distributing mud. As Sulochana used to say, people like Prahlad are boot lickers for the deviant gurus. As soon as we expose these problems, we are slinging mud, and that defends the evil doers.

Yes the bogus GBC / Prahlad das / HKC  puzzle is all finally all fitting together. You got it! You are correct, the bogus GBC, Dayalu nitai, HKC, Prahlad group -- are ALL stomping their jack boots in unison, saying that we ALL have to accept the GBC's homosexual pedophile acharyas program -- because the Dayarama courts accept and endorse that program, and ruled in favor of that process. Yes, they ARE ALL saying child molester messiahs programs are authorized, if the courts approve of that program. I would not say what you are, that they have dog's turds for brains, its actually worse than that, they are deviants. Its not a question of loss of intelligence, they support deviations. Even people with "dog turds for brains" do not support pedophile messiah programs, even the most ignorant people have way more sense than this, they do not support such deviations. We have reviewed a number of letters from these Prahlad / HKC people -- and they all say they agree that the Dayarama pedophile guru's process is bona fide -- since the courts approve and support that program and its leaders.

Yep! They ALL agree and say that homosexual pedophile guru programs are bona fide "if  the courts approve" such programs. They have lost all connection to Srila Prabhupada, or never had any in the first place. Yep, you are also correct, the same bogus GBC / HKC / Prahlad "bona fide courts" also "approve" abortion, female baby-cide, meat eating, alcohol, drugs, pornography, tossing baby chicks into meat grinders -- and only Yamaraja knows the list of what else their wonderful courts are approving. They accept as bona fide authority the courts that approve all this, and bogus GBC / HKC / Prahlad are infuriated we exposed their pedophile messiahs program because they are ALL in support of the Dayarama courts.

In sum, they ALL accept not only secular courts, but they ALL accept the authority of pedophile messiah programs if these bogus courts support such programs. Yes, they ALL agree with the courts who approve of pedophile messiahs programs, as Sulochan used to say, "birds of a feather flop together." Yes, secular authority is bogus for all the reasons stated above. Yes, these people are collectively trying to destroy the Hare Krishna religion, we agree.

Prahlad says anyone who publishes Srila Prabhupada's materials is slinging mud. Prahlad says anyone who exposes child molesters and saves hundred of children by getting them pulled out, is slinging mud. Prahlad says anyone who helps a lawsuit to get original books is slinging mud because these books are all mud. Prahlad says anyone who exposes Srila Prabhupada being poisoned is slinging mud, because he loves Judas. Thats its. HKC, you better take notice of all this.

http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/prahlad-writes-pada-update.html

Prahlad Das:

BUT... I'm not saying ANY of those things... NEVER have... NEVER will... Neither are any of the devotees of HKC Jaipur!
I am NOT 'GBC' or 'authority' for any group or person anywhere!
I've been a strict Vegetarian for 30+ years, so NO CHILD-EATING either!

PS - The only devotees using & accepting the authority of the "Jesus-killing", "abortion-approving" demoniac courts (and paying them millions!) are bogus GBC ISKCON and ISKCON Bangalore... And Tim himself of course, when he was happy to use the court to blame Prabhupada for the child-abuse in his & Pratyatosa's Windle-Turley lawsuit.

Puranjana dragged to Hell by Yamadutas (Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 4)

PADA: "Prahlad wants to destroy the entire Krishna religion!"

Timothy Lie



Tim Lee / PADA / krishna1008 January 20, 2014:

[Thanks **** prabhu, Thats fine, my point is, before we side with people like Prahlad, we have to look at his Illuminati and other bogus links he is posting..]

Prahlad Das: What "Illuminati' and other bogus links"? Tim blocked me on FaceBook months ago, so he cannot even see what I am posting.

[..his association with GBC clones like Bhakta das..]

Prahlad Das: I have NO association with Bhakta Das: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/bhakta-dasa-missing-link.html

[..etc..]

Prahlad Das: Who is "etc."?

[..and the fact Prahlad wants to destroy the entire Krishna religion by siding with people who say the religion teaches it should kill and chop up child molesting victims. And they sent that odious material to the Dallas courts and New York Times -- to attempt to legally prove that this is what Krishna teaches, and they wanted to prove that legally in Dallas courts. They publicly want to advertise the Krishna religion as a child chopping program, and legally prove that by sending that idea to the Dallas Courts / New York Times etc., they want to destroy the entire religion in public. Fortunately, even karmis know that Krishna does not teach that He wants to have to molested children killed and chopped up, but that is what they want to have promoted in Krishna's name, legally and in court, and in the New York Times etc. They want to legally prove this is a child chopper cult, and they are angry that this did not happen, their plan to destroy the religion by painting as a child murdering cult has not worked, so they are angry. Even Windle Turley, as much as he does not understand things, even he knows Krishna does not teach chopping up children like these guys are teaching in public, New York Times, in court etc..]

Prahlad Das: Complete nonsense. There was NEVER even any "child-chopping" letter to begin with!: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/conversation-about-iskcon-children.html

[..We have to look at the fact Prahlad is living in Vrndavana and complains he is alone and without association..]

Prahlad Das: Is it now a sin to choose to live alone in Vrindavan for some time? I am not complaining. In fact i consider myself very fortunate to have such an opportunity.

[..He cannot do anything except try to take down the ritviks and destroy their preaching. The riviks will have faults, agreed, but before we take them down, we might look at what happens if that is done, then we will have people wandering around with no association, no temples, no programs, no nothing, like Prahlad..]

Prahlad Das: How am I trying to "take down the ritviks and destroy their preaching"?.. Oh, I'm not. That is your job.

[..Right now Bangalore has some books distribution with brahmacharis, just like we had in the old days. They are printing and distributing original books and etc., they are preaching, they are making devotees, and if we assist in taking them down, then we will be another version of Prahlad, we will have nothing. And if that program fails Prahlad would be happy. That is my point. I am not defending anyone's faults, I am saying that if all we do is point to other's faults all the time, then we will have nothing, as Prahlad does..]

Prahlad Das: All Tim Lee has done for the last 30 years is point out other's faults. And if he cannot find any faults he just makes them up!: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/unproven-crazy-accusations-by-tim-lee.html

[..In sum, he should not be our leader or example of how to do things..]

Prahlad Das: I have no desire to become anyone's leader. I am just trying to follow Prabhupada's example of how to do things and encouraging other Prabhupadanugas to do the same. Deviating from Prabhupada's instructions will be the cause of downfall for the Prabhupadanuga 'ritviks'.

[..Bangalore branch temple here has never had any rock and roll music, its not their main emphasis, this whole issue has been overblown by a person who wants to take the whole thing down. He sifts through tons of material to find one fault and he goes ballistic on that, to take us all down, he is not a person we should be promoting, that's my point. ys pd]

Prahlad Das: Who is promoting me? I am not trying to "take the whole thing down". I am just concerned about a few deviations from Srila Prabhupada's instructions that are taking place in Bangalore, as in the rest of ISKCON: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/strong-preaching-was-essence.html

'You Are Also A Child-Chopper!' with Janardana Das, Chandra Shaker, Prahlad Das & Tim Lee (FB 13/7/13)

Chandra Shaker's original post in 'PRABHUPADANUGAS ONLY' FaceBook Group:

Why not set some rules and regulations for posting in these groups? No personal attacks are permitted on any Prabhupanuga devotees with the exception of any serious deviations which may endanger other devotees. This means only posts of a positive nature in line with Srila Prabhupadas teachings can be made in these groups. Bogus gurus and sinister Iskcon activities etc. can still be exposed and reported and all content should be Krsna Conscious in nature.. The devotees can decide by posting their views this way it prevents the infighting which is unproductive and certainly not pleasing to Srila Prabhupada. Anyone who continues to post articles directly attacking other Prabhupadanuga devotees in the group should be given three chances maximum and if they continue then they should be blocked from the groups. Just a suggestion its up to the group members to decide though. Hare Krsna.

COMMENTS:

Janardana Das: If we can't post legitimate concerns within this Prabhupadanuga community, where can we post them? How can the ritviks address this bad element in this community, if we can't even pose legitimate concerns? Truth must be spoken.... if a thief is a thief it is our duty to point this out for the benefit of the whole collective group, so they do not get cheated. Is it not? This is just like lancing a boil. Where was this "rules and regulations" proposition when Rupa manjari, or Prahlad das were being attacked so violently, and continue to be attacked?. So far there are hundreds of devotees and growing anxious to see a resolution to the offensive/aggressive nature of pada1008. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent contaminates everything....everything is spoiled.

Chandra Shaker: Yes if there is actual factual evidence that the thief is theif then they can be considered as deviating and a threat to other devotees as i pointed out. However the problem is it seems the motivation is personal grudges that cause the fighting and no evidence is actually presented. Other than speculations and accusations.

Janardana Das: I can understand what you mean, however again I was completely impartial to this whole controversy until a friend of mine (Prahlad das ) was attacked and accused of being a "child chopper".. as unbelievable as that sounds I now have opened my eyes to the real problem, The facts are as follows: The ritviks are considered by the devotional community to be angry/offensive/hateful/malicious/disinformation. I know also for a fact that this perception is directly connected with Pada1008. We can continue to go down this road, or acknowledge the problem and stop the poison from spreading... make appropriate reconciliations and move on in a positive way, full of new and renewed energy.

Janardana Das: It's not hard to make a blog and post nice positive advancements in the ritvik field, If pada1008 is removed from the internet as hate speech, I know several qualified devotees who can fill that void without the hate and aggressiveness that pada1008 contains. Possibly even repair the damage caused.

Janardana Das: It's just that pada1008 has so much free time on his hands... he can afford to do these things all day, Others have jobs...and householder duties to tend to. However I am confident that together a more positive perception of ritviks can be achieved through the right spirit of cooperation.

Chandra Shaker: Its simple Puranjana has to present the original letter from Mukunda that states the Gurukul kids should be chopped up and fed to the dogs. I think some of PADAs blogs are very good and informative, i dont think blocking him or singling him out as the culprit is right. The Mukunda group and Puranjana have been at each other for years so its about time it was resolved. All they have to do is stop attacking each other from what i understand Pada has already agreed to this.?

Janardana Das: I also agree that some of padas blogs are very good and informative... i really do prabhu, BUT what did Prabhupada say about milk touched by the lips of a serpent?

Prahlad Das: There is no 'child-chopping' letter. Neither Sanat, Mukunda or anyone has ever said this. Devotees have been asking Tim for 15 years to show this letter. Tim has just been repeating this 'child-chopper' lie to discredit anyone who exposes his blaming Prabhupada for the child-abuse, his malicious lies about sincere devotees, his demoniac lifestyle, etc...

Chandra Shaker: Can you really say he is a serpant? If you have some evidence or proof to support that fair enough present it for the benefit of others...99% of his blogs are on the "Guru issue" which we are all in agreement with.

Janardana Das: It's more of an analogy, I dont actually know if he is a naga serpent... but his actions seem to indicate some serious personality/character flaws. Do you think Srila Prabhupada would be happy with Pada1008?

Chandra Shaker: Then if the letter was never written then Puranjana will have to explain why he made these accusations...if they are blatent lies then its up to the group to decide if he is blocked.

Janardana Das: agreed. This is positive and constructive discussion that should have happened years ago...

Chandra Shaker: Lets hope so...lol.. Hare Krsna. Its up to the group so everyone will have to let us know their opinion on the matter and Puranjana also allowed to present his case.. Producing some evidence of the letter would be a good start.

Janardana Das: agreed. Proper leadership and maturity are very good qualities to have. Thank you Chandra Shaker for stepping up to at least accomidate the dialogue needed to move forward with this issue. Hare Krsna.

Prahlad Das: I have seen a copy of the only actual letter/eMail that Sanat sent to the Gurukulis in 1993. In it he sympathises with them and encourages them to fight back against the abusers. His writing 'style' is quite strong and somewhat 'unfocused' but his poin...See More...

Prahlad Das: Sanat in action (02:20) http://youtu.be/jN0py20UrB4

Janardana Das: Didnt' Geroge Bush SR. say " If you tell a lie enough times people will come to believe it" ? Typical demoniac strategy...

Prahlad Das: Apparently Hitler said that about repeating a lie. Bush Jr said "You are either with us or you are with the terrorists", just like Tim PADA says "You are with me or you are with the 'child-choppers'".

Janardana Das: Ah yes.. thank you for the correction, Well I guess I am a child chopper then. I should probably warn my wife not to bring my child near me. As he will be subject to "chopping"... But what if, there is a serious problem within a sociey that needs to be addressed for the benefit of the collective group? Prabhupada said we must discuss issues "thread bare"... until the issue is resolved. This issue is a practical example of how to apply Prabhupadas teaching to a society... this is a lesson for us to learn and get past, so that we can serve Srila Prabhupada better.

Tim Lee: Un-moderated forums dry up, that is proven whatever the topic is, even mundane forums that have a few people shouting others down lose members. This was supposed to be a forum about Prabhupada, and some people here wanted to talk about me and not Prabhupada...

Janardana Das: This will not dry up, I assure you prabhu, as you are very serious offender... there will be a solution to this problem one way or another. By the way have you found the child chopper letter yet?

Tim Lee: Prahlad just posted a letter a few days ago saying that these offenders (the children) need to be dropped on upraised swords? He posted that himself? Are you people reading what you are yourself posting? Or am I arguing with a ghost here? ys pd

Prahlad Das: Here we go... All the same old lies and nonsense.

Janardana Das: So your convinced that by "offender" he meant "the children" and not the actual abusers who were involved in the crimes towards the children?

Tim Lee: Mukunda also sayd the Prabhupadanuga groups are bogus cults, its on their web site?

Prahlad Das: Stop changing subject, rascal.

Janardana Das: Im not interested in hear say, I want the original letter that you have quoted for so long... Im talking about the accusation of Prahlad das being a child chopper. Dont swtich subject matters. Its very simple, do you have proof that Prahlad Das is a child chopper or not? yes or no...

Tim Lee: Yes, just a few days ago Prahlad posted a letter saying the children need to be placed on upraised swords, nevermind what I said or did not say, that is what he just now said.

Prahlad Das: More lies.

Janardana Das: show it to us.

Tim Lee: Yes, he wants children to be place on upraised swords, he wants to chop them up, yes he just posted that?

Janardana Das: I havent seen it.. provide link please.

Tim Lee: Prahlad posted that

Prahlad Das: Sanat said that, according to scripture, offenders of pure devotees (ie. Tim Lee supporting a lawsuit which blamed Prabhupada for the abuses) would suffer in such ways, not the children.

"If you are always remembering Him by your activities and seeing Krishna everywhere, even in the heart of the demonic persons, then anger will never overcome you, being purified of all false pride. But occasionally if there is good reason, ...you may have to become angry just to chastise the evil doers and blasphemers. We have seen that Lord Caitanya once nearly killed Jaghai and Madhai for their offenses to His devotee, so like that, if there is offensive behavior to the pure devotees you may become like Nrsinghadeva and punish them severely." (Prabhupada Letter Niranjan, 72-8-29)

Tim Lee: He posted in on the forums. I quoted him, he posted it here on FB forums.

Janardana Das: You completely twisted the words Tim Lee. That is not what he said

Prahlad Das: That is what scripture says about the fate of offenders like Tim.

Tim Lee: No they said the children are saying blasphemy, And blasphemers need to be placed on upraised swords, Preahlad just said that

Janardana Das: again, all of us here require some sort of proof... we know your words cannot be trusted tim.. so until you provide proof... you have lost this debate.

Tim Lee: I do not need to prove anything, Prahlad just posted that

Prahlad Das: Yes you are blasphemer against Prabhupada, implicating him in child-abuse!

Tim Lee: The children are blasphemers, and blasphmers need to be placed on upraised swords, that is what they were saying.. I said the children are commiting suicide, and I stopped that almost to nothing. So PRahlad wanted them to die

Janardana Das: I can't connect this logic..

Prahlad Das: No, you are blasphemer and scripture says you will be punished.

Tim Lee: The lawsuit stopped the suicides, ask Jvalamujki

Janardana Das: ..it's too advanced for me.. anyways, you cannot provide the letter or any proof as we ve asked you too.. so there is nothing more to discuss. All that is left now is to discuss your fate..

Tim Lee: The lawsuit stopped the suicides, and you cannot understand that suicides are bad?

Janardana Das: here we go.... tim lee logic..

Tim Lee: So you also wanted the children to die and we can report that is your opinion. Sanat and Mukunda were told that the children were commiting suicides, and that the lawsuit was stopping the suicides, and they were angry as fire, they wanted the children to die

Janardana Das: Here we go devotees, it was just a matter of time before tim's powerful connective logic began to surface.

Tim Lee: Prahlad supports that, yes, the children were commiting suicide, and Janardana did not want that to stop?

Janardana Das: Again, we need the letter.

Tim Lee: Why does Janardana want dead children?

Janardana Das: please provide it.

Tim Lee: Prahlad posted one of them, upraised swords

Prahlad Das: Not true.

Tim Lee: If I post you would not accept anyway, so go look at what he posted, he already posted on of several letters where they said the offenders need to go on swords. OK, I helped stop the suicides, and they did not want that, duh, that means they wanted dead children

Janardana Das: Actually Janardana wants peace... and to root out this divisive counterproductive mentality.. I will accept what makes sense and is provable.. not twisted logic and lies..

Tim Lee: OK so you are not answering the point, the children were commiting suicide and the lawsuit helped reduce that, are you saying you favor suicides of children? Just answer yes or no

Janardana Das: Didn't you implicate Prabhupada in the lawsuit as being an accessory? That was your lawsuit yes?. so you admit.

Tim Lee: So you wanted the suicides, yes. You wanted dead children.Yoiu admit. you are also a child chopper, you admit

Prahlad Das: What an idiot.

Janardana Das: I'm going to stop this discussion until a mature senior vaisnava comes forth to offer his expertise.

Tim Lee: Why are you a child chopper is the question then?

Janardana Das: no kidding... so pathetic.

Tim Lee: Ok so the lawsuit reduced the suicides, and you wante the suicides, its simple. Yes you wanted PRabhupada to be implicated in suicides

Prahlad Das: YOU are simple.. Simply a demonic rascal fool.

Tim Lee: You wanted his children to die

Prahlad Das: Pathetic.

Janardana Das: I really hope the mature vaisnavas of this forum are reading this and can see how pathetic Tim Lee's arguments and accusations are... his twisted logic..

Tim Lee: Anyway, you have eplained yourselves well, you wanted to have PRabhupada implicated in suicides of children. You wanted the children to die, thats all there is to it

Janardana Das: can you provide the quote where I said that?

Tim Lee: yes you just said that saving the children from suicide is twisted and wrong, that means you want them to die, that means you are a child chopper. You just admit yourself

Janardana Das: I did not say that LOL. so this is why people are not taking you seriously Tim Lee... and why you are a detriment to the ritvik community at large... I hope that I presented myself properly to all of the senior vaisnavas in this forum...and I hope we can all agree to put an end to PADA666... i mean 1008.

Tim Lee: OK, you said saving them is wrong? Saving children from dying is wrong, that makes you a person who wants dead children

Prahlad Das: Tim, we know that you severely neglected your own children.

Tim Lee: Everyone can figure that out, you want suicides, that means you want children to die. Ok so either you wanted dead children or you did not, you folks say you do, what else can I say? You wanted these children to die, thats not even nelgect, thats -- dead.

Janardana Das: It is actually very painful for me to continue this with you tim lee prabhu.... you make absolutely no sense... and are extremely offensive.. I am confident that you have exposed yourself for what I see you as..... an inside mole.

Prahlad Das: WE NEVER WANTED CHILDREN DEAD! GET IT?

Janardana Das: Prahlad it's ok... lets just wait for the mature vaisnavas to show up...and offer their opinion.

Tim Lee: Yes, you want dead children and you just admit that, you said our saving them was wrong, that means you wanted them to die, you are a child chopper yourself. Yes, you said saving them was wrong, that means you wanted them dead

Janardana Das: After all, Tim Lee could not provide any documentation where you say you support child chopping... he has been defeated.

Tim Lee: I provided it, Prahlad said put these offensive people on upraised swords, that is what they were saying about the children, they are offenders. Anyway, heh heh heh, you guys have to prove that upraised swords does not chop people up, good luck.

Janardana Das: Ladies and Gentlemen.... I give you Tim Lee, Pada1008, lets all give him a round of applause for his very powerful and intelligent debating skills.

Tim Lee: Anyway, sorry, many of the kulis were outraged at the Sanat and Mukunda program that was asking for them to be chopped up, ask them.

<At this point Chandra Shaker deleted the entire post & all of the above comments>

Chandra Shaker: I deleted that last post i dont want held responsible for causing even more fighting...sorry you can continue as you wish im taking a back seat on this topic for now. Hare Krsna.

Prahlad Das: Well done, censoring an important post with dozens of comments, wasting devotees time, and protecting a poisonous person. Well done prabhu. Good service.

Janardana Das: well they say that this is the age of "revealing"...how interesting, we all knew of tim lees character... that was obvious. Now we are learning the character... the true self of chandra shakar... I am actually shocked at this. Thankfully prahlad saved the thread which clearly shows tim lee defeated and babbling like a mad man. Is tim lee your ritvik priest guru chandra shekar prabhu? Did he give you the gayatri tape? what sort of mind control spell are you under prabhu? Sincerely cry to Prabhupada and he will guide you. I wish you well prabhu. Hare krsna. Agtsp...

Narada-kunda Dasi: "Therefore, what you have said in darkness will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in private rooms will be shouted from the housetops." Luke 12: