Interview with Prahlad Das

Prahlad Das responds to Tim Lee's false statements about himself and other Prabhupadanugas.

Basically, in 1997-99 Sanat and Mukunda were objecting to the blaming of Srila Prabhupada (for the gurukuli abuse) in the Windle-Turley lawsuit. So Tim Lee decided to demonize them and label them as "child-choppers" which he has done for the last 20 years.

In 2013 Prahlad Das also objected, so Tim Lee has labelled him as "a child-eating demon" for the last 6 years. This is all to distract from the fact that the actual purpose of Tim Lee and Pratyatosa's lawsuit was to defame Prabhupada, having him be recorded forever in legal history as the complicit leader of a child abuse cult, thus enabling the abusers to go on with their abuses with no fear of future legal proceedings or punishment.

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Puranjana Supports Defamation of Srila Prabhupada:
http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/pada_defamation.html

PRATYATOSA DASA: 
"I'm convinced that if it weren't for the way in which Puranjana (Tim Lee) presented the relevant facts to the high powered lawyer, Windle Turley, the child abuse lawsuit, which reduced the number of gurukuli suicides almost to nil, would have never gotten off the ground. Therefore, I will be forever grateful to him for that reason alone." Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa (19/12/10)

Tim Lee (PADA1008): 
"I did not really "put together" the court case all myself. Pratyatosa contacted Turley and he agreed to take the case. I then helped by recruiting victims to sign up, altogether about 2,000 wanted to sign up. Turley wanted $1,000,000 for each victim so he cut it down to 500 thinking ISKCON could not pay $200M.."

JANMASTAMI SINKOWSKI:"..Those molested who took the lawsuit settlement money signed non-disclosure agreements,promising to repay all they took if they disclose the complaints they made. of the 706 filing, only 6 of us refused the settlement money and are still free to discuss such topics, without possible financial repercussions.."

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Tim Lee (PADA1008):
"Interesting that Prahlad said the only result of the lawsuit was that innocent people were going to have to pay a lot of money. OK people who are supporting a sexual predator school program are not innocent.."

PRAHLAD DAS:
"No. The other results of the Pratyatosa / Tim Lee / Windle Turdley 'prabhupada defamation' lawsuit were that many non-abusive, regular devotees were cast onto the streets as temples were closed to pay the $400.0000. Thanks to Tim and Pratyatosa, the actual abusers got off free and still control iskCON. Bhavananda is currently involved with the TOVP Mayapur project. This lawsuit ensured that they will not be prosecuted in the future as the abuse in iskCON continues. Don't the ex-Gurukulis want to see them brought to justice? The grown-up Gurukulis got paid off for their support of the defamation of Prabhupada as the controller of a child-abuse cult, while letting the actual abusers walk free. I hope they think it was worth it."

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PRAHLAD DAS:
 "I find it rather ironic (and sickening) that self-proclaimed "saviour of the children" Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana) is a good friend and supporter of convicted child-abuser Tattva Darshan. After Tattva's release from prison he was given shelter at iskCON Bangalore by Madhu Pandit where he was allowed to give classes. He is now back in India running his child-abuse project disguised as a Krishna School. The locals call it "the American Fu*k House". Child-Saviour Tim seems to have forgotten to mention any of this. It would appear that he thinks it is more important to spend all his time demonising others for the unforgivable crime of standing up for Srila Prabhupada."

LINK: Tim Lee (Puranjana) supports convicted child-abuser

Tattva Darshan's ongoing child abuse project in Karnataka, supported by Tim Lee, Mahasringa and others. LINK:BEV Village School

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Hear how Srila Prabhupada ordered the Gurukul to be closed as soon as he heard of abuse:

PADA's 'Cyber Goth Girls' YouTube Video

This is Tim Lee's YouTube channel 'pada1008':

http://www.youtube.com/user/pada1008/videos

Here is some of his 'Hare Krishna Meditation Music':



Here is a typical video from a YouTube channel he is subscribed to:

He uploaded this 'Cyber Goth Girls with Goth Music' video to his channel six years ago:

If you click the 'deviant art' link under the video you will find 9 pages of photographs:

http://goonishnob.deviantart.com/gallery/

Here are a few of those photographs:

       

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a comment about Tim's 'Cyber Goth Girls' video from Nick Lakshmana dasa Mason:

"I don't even understand why you uploaded this video?"

Neither do we Nick!.. Anyone?..
Maybe it has something to do with his obsession with "child-chopping" and "bloodbaths"?

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Krishna Kirtan:
WHY, WHY?

Now you ask yourself. Why would Tim Lee do this? The answer is simple:

While espousing and trying to own the narrative on all the important issues (like the poison issue etc all), the detriment of his own character serves his psyops cause even more so. Why?

Because anyone looking at this would easily dislike this type of material, and subsequently he would be discrediting himself in the process. For someone who knows nothing about the serious, important and valid issues (which Tim Lee talks about non-stop), discreting himself through these type of thing would serve to discredit all the valid material as well. In other words, to someone looking at Tim Lee and his presentation, he must be crazy, therefore anything else that he talks about (many of which are true), would be instantly categorized as nonsense hateful propaganda.

A great example of psyops tactics, just one example. The manipulation tactics are numerous, and usually people fall for them easily, simply because they are not willing nor prepared to do their own unbiased filtering and research.

Tim Lee is working as gate keeper between the devotees and the world in general. He has two simultaneous objectives:

The first objective is to get devotees disillusioned with Krishna consciousness by playing on their emotions through his negative and solutionless presentation, and the other objective, which is performed simultaneously, is to alienate as quickly as possible anyone new to Krishna consciousness before they get too far into it.

That's his JOB, literal job. It's just a job, and that's how he sees it, and that's what it is for him and his higher ups.

Narada-kunda Dasi:yes, a job nicely explains how someone can act in ways a normal human being (what to speak of a devotee) would not, always persisting in rascaldom despite feedback :)

Bhakti Ananda Goswami II:

Previously I only saw a few of these photos, and I did not look for more, as I did not want to see pictures of his daughter mentioned by someone. Now more photos are showing in this thread, and it is clear that he or someone, wants him to be taken-for a 'satanist', whether or not he is one. I have not looked at any of the videos linked. I know that Loka Nunda is into bondage-type gay porn related 'tantric' punk 'music', because he was a poster on the GALVA facebook Page, where I used to try to educate people about the difference between their 'gay' identification, their actual bodily sex, their subtler 'subtle body' gender identity, and their real Spiritual Identity. The Krishna Consciousness Movement has attracted all kinds of people. Loka Nunda's claim was that he was preaching to a certain kind of person. Are these photos and video links actually put up by Tim, or is he being publicly defamed himself by these links? I am not a computer tech person, or very conversant with youtube. Does Tim 'own' these photos and links, or does he disavow them? Another question is what his mental state and culpability is. I worked with the severely mentally ill for decades, and in Alzeimers, for example, mental deterioration is getting serious for an average of 15 YEARS before the person is finally deemed unable to care for them self anymore and institutionalized Thus, for example, President Reagan was demented and being cared-for and effectively handled by others for 15 years before he left office and Immediately was removed from the public sphere to cover-up his advanced dementia.

If Tim is now quite demented, as seems obvious, then all kinds of bizarre things could be coming out of him, but his supporters may be playing damage-control by ghost-writing the more rational-sounding letters 'from' him. If I was Tim or his family, I would be more worried about his own supporters killing him as their final damage-control effort. If he is a dangerous someone's puppet or a dangerous someone's master, either way, if he out-lives his usefulness, the dangerous someone will want to dis-credit or dispose of him.

He really appears to be immoral and darkly demented and 'possessed' by something very ugly. If he was in an extended care hospital ('nursing home') he would not be allowed to indulge in such sadistic-looking fantasies or to inflict his dark imaginings on the other patients. Essentially he would be socially isolated from the rest of the patients, rather than to let him disturb their minds with such sick talk, 'music' or imagery.

I was once the activities director and social worker designee for a private teacher's union 'nursing home', and if Tim was a patient there, the rest of our patient population, and staff, would definitely have been protected from him, in keeping with our policies. Of course because he has not been institutionalized or legally restrained, he is free to cause as much harm to others as he can get-away with.

PADA: "Prahlad wants to destroy the entire Krishna religion!"

Timothy Lie



Tim Lee / PADA / krishna1008 January 20, 2014:

[Thanks **** prabhu, Thats fine, my point is, before we side with people like Prahlad, we have to look at his Illuminati and other bogus links he is posting..]

Prahlad Das: What "Illuminati' and other bogus links"? Tim blocked me on FaceBook months ago, so he cannot even see what I am posting.

[..his association with GBC clones like Bhakta das..]

Prahlad Das: I have NO association with Bhakta Das: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/bhakta-dasa-missing-link.html

[..etc..]

Prahlad Das: Who is "etc."?

[..and the fact Prahlad wants to destroy the entire Krishna religion by siding with people who say the religion teaches it should kill and chop up child molesting victims. And they sent that odious material to the Dallas courts and New York Times -- to attempt to legally prove that this is what Krishna teaches, and they wanted to prove that legally in Dallas courts. They publicly want to advertise the Krishna religion as a child chopping program, and legally prove that by sending that idea to the Dallas Courts / New York Times etc., they want to destroy the entire religion in public. Fortunately, even karmis know that Krishna does not teach that He wants to have to molested children killed and chopped up, but that is what they want to have promoted in Krishna's name, legally and in court, and in the New York Times etc. They want to legally prove this is a child chopper cult, and they are angry that this did not happen, their plan to destroy the religion by painting as a child murdering cult has not worked, so they are angry. Even Windle Turley, as much as he does not understand things, even he knows Krishna does not teach chopping up children like these guys are teaching in public, New York Times, in court etc..]

Prahlad Das: Complete nonsense. There was NEVER even any "child-chopping" letter to begin with!: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/conversation-about-iskcon-children.html

[..We have to look at the fact Prahlad is living in Vrndavana and complains he is alone and without association..]

Prahlad Das: Is it now a sin to choose to live alone in Vrindavan for some time? I am not complaining. In fact i consider myself very fortunate to have such an opportunity.

[..He cannot do anything except try to take down the ritviks and destroy their preaching. The riviks will have faults, agreed, but before we take them down, we might look at what happens if that is done, then we will have people wandering around with no association, no temples, no programs, no nothing, like Prahlad..]

Prahlad Das: How am I trying to "take down the ritviks and destroy their preaching"?.. Oh, I'm not. That is your job.

[..Right now Bangalore has some books distribution with brahmacharis, just like we had in the old days. They are printing and distributing original books and etc., they are preaching, they are making devotees, and if we assist in taking them down, then we will be another version of Prahlad, we will have nothing. And if that program fails Prahlad would be happy. That is my point. I am not defending anyone's faults, I am saying that if all we do is point to other's faults all the time, then we will have nothing, as Prahlad does..]

Prahlad Das: All Tim Lee has done for the last 30 years is point out other's faults. And if he cannot find any faults he just makes them up!: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/unproven-crazy-accusations-by-tim-lee.html

[..In sum, he should not be our leader or example of how to do things..]

Prahlad Das: I have no desire to become anyone's leader. I am just trying to follow Prabhupada's example of how to do things and encouraging other Prabhupadanugas to do the same. Deviating from Prabhupada's instructions will be the cause of downfall for the Prabhupadanuga 'ritviks'.

[..Bangalore branch temple here has never had any rock and roll music, its not their main emphasis, this whole issue has been overblown by a person who wants to take the whole thing down. He sifts through tons of material to find one fault and he goes ballistic on that, to take us all down, he is not a person we should be promoting, that's my point. ys pd]

Prahlad Das: Who is promoting me? I am not trying to "take the whole thing down". I am just concerned about a few deviations from Srila Prabhupada's instructions that are taking place in Bangalore, as in the rest of ISKCON: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/strong-preaching-was-essence.html

'Fighting Lies With Truth - Not More Lies' by IRM (2000)

It seems ironic that just when so many persons are trying to move out of the past era of GBC untruth and onto the path of truth by joining the IRM, Puranjana is moving in the opposite direction as he progressively degenerates into a vicious circle of lies and more lies. We may have all lied and cheated in the past whilst we were in the illusion of the GBC's bogus program, but Puranjana is doing it NOW in the name of Prabhupada and reform, and he claims to never have been in illusion.

Puranjana does deserve credit for having over the years made many valid criticisms of the GBC and its deviant philosophies. He sees, quite rightly, the current guru system as bogus. However if we claim to want to reform ISKCON, yet indulge in the same type of lying, distortion and egotism we accuse the GBC of, then how will we actually succeed in our efforts, or indeed improve anything (even if we did succeed in our efforts)? It will simply be a case of the 'same wine, in a new bottle'. He needs to consider that the rapid success of the IRM has indeed been due to this attempt to adhere to the evidence and truth in all circumstances, even when it may not appear to benefit us in the short-term. Ultimately it will be truth that will power us to victory, not any short-term expedient measures. We hope this article will inspire Puranjana to look deeper within himself and work on self-reform, and edit the anarthas that he sees so clearly in the GBC, out of his own life. In doing so he will be much more effective in his campaign, and a valuable asset rather than just another variation of the GBC lying machine. Puranjana clearly wants to see the current Guru system dismantled. The IRM is dedicated to doing just this, and is currently engaged in a legal battle, as well as many other measures, to bring about the necessary changes. We hope Puranjana will be able to assist this battle once he has been able to suitably re-orientate himself back towards the path of truth.

In conclusion we wish to state that we have no desire to enter into any more discussions on this issue. We will let the matter rest here and get back to our real work of re-instating Srila Prabhupada's orders. It should be very clear to everyone by now where the IRM stands and where PADA stands. We are not concerned with whatever new fabrications that Puranjana may try and 'hit back' with. He has been caught well and truly here with his hands in the cookie jar, and exposed as lying, and no amount of further mud-slinging at the IRM will ever change that. We hope his well-wishers will urge him to see sense and give up such attacks. Even in Kali-Yuga it is said that the 'last leg of religion' - 'truthfulness' - is still standing. It seems ironic that vaisnavas are unable to maintain even this minimum level of religiosity.

Satyam ki vijayate!

Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada, IRM

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'You Are Also A Child-Chopper!' with Janardana Das, Chandra Shaker, Prahlad Das & Tim Lee (FB 13/7/13)

Chandra Shaker's original post in 'PRABHUPADANUGAS ONLY' FaceBook Group:

Why not set some rules and regulations for posting in these groups? No personal attacks are permitted on any Prabhupanuga devotees with the exception of any serious deviations which may endanger other devotees. This means only posts of a positive nature in line with Srila Prabhupadas teachings can be made in these groups. Bogus gurus and sinister Iskcon activities etc. can still be exposed and reported and all content should be Krsna Conscious in nature.. The devotees can decide by posting their views this way it prevents the infighting which is unproductive and certainly not pleasing to Srila Prabhupada. Anyone who continues to post articles directly attacking other Prabhupadanuga devotees in the group should be given three chances maximum and if they continue then they should be blocked from the groups. Just a suggestion its up to the group members to decide though. Hare Krsna.

COMMENTS:

Janardana Das: If we can't post legitimate concerns within this Prabhupadanuga community, where can we post them? How can the ritviks address this bad element in this community, if we can't even pose legitimate concerns? Truth must be spoken.... if a thief is a thief it is our duty to point this out for the benefit of the whole collective group, so they do not get cheated. Is it not? This is just like lancing a boil. Where was this "rules and regulations" proposition when Rupa manjari, or Prahlad das were being attacked so violently, and continue to be attacked?. So far there are hundreds of devotees and growing anxious to see a resolution to the offensive/aggressive nature of pada1008. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent contaminates everything....everything is spoiled.

Chandra Shaker: Yes if there is actual factual evidence that the thief is theif then they can be considered as deviating and a threat to other devotees as i pointed out. However the problem is it seems the motivation is personal grudges that cause the fighting and no evidence is actually presented. Other than speculations and accusations.

Janardana Das: I can understand what you mean, however again I was completely impartial to this whole controversy until a friend of mine (Prahlad das ) was attacked and accused of being a "child chopper".. as unbelievable as that sounds I now have opened my eyes to the real problem, The facts are as follows: The ritviks are considered by the devotional community to be angry/offensive/hateful/malicious/disinformation. I know also for a fact that this perception is directly connected with Pada1008. We can continue to go down this road, or acknowledge the problem and stop the poison from spreading... make appropriate reconciliations and move on in a positive way, full of new and renewed energy.

Janardana Das: It's not hard to make a blog and post nice positive advancements in the ritvik field, If pada1008 is removed from the internet as hate speech, I know several qualified devotees who can fill that void without the hate and aggressiveness that pada1008 contains. Possibly even repair the damage caused.

Janardana Das: It's just that pada1008 has so much free time on his hands... he can afford to do these things all day, Others have jobs...and householder duties to tend to. However I am confident that together a more positive perception of ritviks can be achieved through the right spirit of cooperation.

Chandra Shaker: Its simple Puranjana has to present the original letter from Mukunda that states the Gurukul kids should be chopped up and fed to the dogs. I think some of PADAs blogs are very good and informative, i dont think blocking him or singling him out as the culprit is right. The Mukunda group and Puranjana have been at each other for years so its about time it was resolved. All they have to do is stop attacking each other from what i understand Pada has already agreed to this.?

Janardana Das: I also agree that some of padas blogs are very good and informative... i really do prabhu, BUT what did Prabhupada say about milk touched by the lips of a serpent?

Prahlad Das: There is no 'child-chopping' letter. Neither Sanat, Mukunda or anyone has ever said this. Devotees have been asking Tim for 15 years to show this letter. Tim has just been repeating this 'child-chopper' lie to discredit anyone who exposes his blaming Prabhupada for the child-abuse, his malicious lies about sincere devotees, his demoniac lifestyle, etc...

Chandra Shaker: Can you really say he is a serpant? If you have some evidence or proof to support that fair enough present it for the benefit of others...99% of his blogs are on the "Guru issue" which we are all in agreement with.

Janardana Das: It's more of an analogy, I dont actually know if he is a naga serpent... but his actions seem to indicate some serious personality/character flaws. Do you think Srila Prabhupada would be happy with Pada1008?

Chandra Shaker: Then if the letter was never written then Puranjana will have to explain why he made these accusations...if they are blatent lies then its up to the group to decide if he is blocked.

Janardana Das: agreed. This is positive and constructive discussion that should have happened years ago...

Chandra Shaker: Lets hope so...lol.. Hare Krsna. Its up to the group so everyone will have to let us know their opinion on the matter and Puranjana also allowed to present his case.. Producing some evidence of the letter would be a good start.

Janardana Das: agreed. Proper leadership and maturity are very good qualities to have. Thank you Chandra Shaker for stepping up to at least accomidate the dialogue needed to move forward with this issue. Hare Krsna.

Prahlad Das: I have seen a copy of the only actual letter/eMail that Sanat sent to the Gurukulis in 1993. In it he sympathises with them and encourages them to fight back against the abusers. His writing 'style' is quite strong and somewhat 'unfocused' but his poin...See More...

Prahlad Das: Sanat in action (02:20) http://youtu.be/jN0py20UrB4

Janardana Das: Didnt' Geroge Bush SR. say " If you tell a lie enough times people will come to believe it" ? Typical demoniac strategy...

Prahlad Das: Apparently Hitler said that about repeating a lie. Bush Jr said "You are either with us or you are with the terrorists", just like Tim PADA says "You are with me or you are with the 'child-choppers'".

Janardana Das: Ah yes.. thank you for the correction, Well I guess I am a child chopper then. I should probably warn my wife not to bring my child near me. As he will be subject to "chopping"... But what if, there is a serious problem within a sociey that needs to be addressed for the benefit of the collective group? Prabhupada said we must discuss issues "thread bare"... until the issue is resolved. This issue is a practical example of how to apply Prabhupadas teaching to a society... this is a lesson for us to learn and get past, so that we can serve Srila Prabhupada better.

Tim Lee: Un-moderated forums dry up, that is proven whatever the topic is, even mundane forums that have a few people shouting others down lose members. This was supposed to be a forum about Prabhupada, and some people here wanted to talk about me and not Prabhupada...

Janardana Das: This will not dry up, I assure you prabhu, as you are very serious offender... there will be a solution to this problem one way or another. By the way have you found the child chopper letter yet?

Tim Lee: Prahlad just posted a letter a few days ago saying that these offenders (the children) need to be dropped on upraised swords? He posted that himself? Are you people reading what you are yourself posting? Or am I arguing with a ghost here? ys pd

Prahlad Das: Here we go... All the same old lies and nonsense.

Janardana Das: So your convinced that by "offender" he meant "the children" and not the actual abusers who were involved in the crimes towards the children?

Tim Lee: Mukunda also sayd the Prabhupadanuga groups are bogus cults, its on their web site?

Prahlad Das: Stop changing subject, rascal.

Janardana Das: Im not interested in hear say, I want the original letter that you have quoted for so long... Im talking about the accusation of Prahlad das being a child chopper. Dont swtich subject matters. Its very simple, do you have proof that Prahlad Das is a child chopper or not? yes or no...

Tim Lee: Yes, just a few days ago Prahlad posted a letter saying the children need to be placed on upraised swords, nevermind what I said or did not say, that is what he just now said.

Prahlad Das: More lies.

Janardana Das: show it to us.

Tim Lee: Yes, he wants children to be place on upraised swords, he wants to chop them up, yes he just posted that?

Janardana Das: I havent seen it.. provide link please.

Tim Lee: Prahlad posted that

Prahlad Das: Sanat said that, according to scripture, offenders of pure devotees (ie. Tim Lee supporting a lawsuit which blamed Prabhupada for the abuses) would suffer in such ways, not the children.

"If you are always remembering Him by your activities and seeing Krishna everywhere, even in the heart of the demonic persons, then anger will never overcome you, being purified of all false pride. But occasionally if there is good reason, ...you may have to become angry just to chastise the evil doers and blasphemers. We have seen that Lord Caitanya once nearly killed Jaghai and Madhai for their offenses to His devotee, so like that, if there is offensive behavior to the pure devotees you may become like Nrsinghadeva and punish them severely." (Prabhupada Letter Niranjan, 72-8-29)

Tim Lee: He posted in on the forums. I quoted him, he posted it here on FB forums.

Janardana Das: You completely twisted the words Tim Lee. That is not what he said

Prahlad Das: That is what scripture says about the fate of offenders like Tim.

Tim Lee: No they said the children are saying blasphemy, And blasphemers need to be placed on upraised swords, Preahlad just said that

Janardana Das: again, all of us here require some sort of proof... we know your words cannot be trusted tim.. so until you provide proof... you have lost this debate.

Tim Lee: I do not need to prove anything, Prahlad just posted that

Prahlad Das: Yes you are blasphemer against Prabhupada, implicating him in child-abuse!

Tim Lee: The children are blasphemers, and blasphmers need to be placed on upraised swords, that is what they were saying.. I said the children are commiting suicide, and I stopped that almost to nothing. So PRahlad wanted them to die

Janardana Das: I can't connect this logic..

Prahlad Das: No, you are blasphemer and scripture says you will be punished.

Tim Lee: The lawsuit stopped the suicides, ask Jvalamujki

Janardana Das: ..it's too advanced for me.. anyways, you cannot provide the letter or any proof as we ve asked you too.. so there is nothing more to discuss. All that is left now is to discuss your fate..

Tim Lee: The lawsuit stopped the suicides, and you cannot understand that suicides are bad?

Janardana Das: here we go.... tim lee logic..

Tim Lee: So you also wanted the children to die and we can report that is your opinion. Sanat and Mukunda were told that the children were commiting suicides, and that the lawsuit was stopping the suicides, and they were angry as fire, they wanted the children to die

Janardana Das: Here we go devotees, it was just a matter of time before tim's powerful connective logic began to surface.

Tim Lee: Prahlad supports that, yes, the children were commiting suicide, and Janardana did not want that to stop?

Janardana Das: Again, we need the letter.

Tim Lee: Why does Janardana want dead children?

Janardana Das: please provide it.

Tim Lee: Prahlad posted one of them, upraised swords

Prahlad Das: Not true.

Tim Lee: If I post you would not accept anyway, so go look at what he posted, he already posted on of several letters where they said the offenders need to go on swords. OK, I helped stop the suicides, and they did not want that, duh, that means they wanted dead children

Janardana Das: Actually Janardana wants peace... and to root out this divisive counterproductive mentality.. I will accept what makes sense and is provable.. not twisted logic and lies..

Tim Lee: OK so you are not answering the point, the children were commiting suicide and the lawsuit helped reduce that, are you saying you favor suicides of children? Just answer yes or no

Janardana Das: Didn't you implicate Prabhupada in the lawsuit as being an accessory? That was your lawsuit yes?. so you admit.

Tim Lee: So you wanted the suicides, yes. You wanted dead children.Yoiu admit. you are also a child chopper, you admit

Prahlad Das: What an idiot.

Janardana Das: I'm going to stop this discussion until a mature senior vaisnava comes forth to offer his expertise.

Tim Lee: Why are you a child chopper is the question then?

Janardana Das: no kidding... so pathetic.

Tim Lee: Ok so the lawsuit reduced the suicides, and you wante the suicides, its simple. Yes you wanted PRabhupada to be implicated in suicides

Prahlad Das: YOU are simple.. Simply a demonic rascal fool.

Tim Lee: You wanted his children to die

Prahlad Das: Pathetic.

Janardana Das: I really hope the mature vaisnavas of this forum are reading this and can see how pathetic Tim Lee's arguments and accusations are... his twisted logic..

Tim Lee: Anyway, you have eplained yourselves well, you wanted to have PRabhupada implicated in suicides of children. You wanted the children to die, thats all there is to it

Janardana Das: can you provide the quote where I said that?

Tim Lee: yes you just said that saving the children from suicide is twisted and wrong, that means you want them to die, that means you are a child chopper. You just admit yourself

Janardana Das: I did not say that LOL. so this is why people are not taking you seriously Tim Lee... and why you are a detriment to the ritvik community at large... I hope that I presented myself properly to all of the senior vaisnavas in this forum...and I hope we can all agree to put an end to PADA666... i mean 1008.

Tim Lee: OK, you said saving them is wrong? Saving children from dying is wrong, that makes you a person who wants dead children

Prahlad Das: Tim, we know that you severely neglected your own children.

Tim Lee: Everyone can figure that out, you want suicides, that means you want children to die. Ok so either you wanted dead children or you did not, you folks say you do, what else can I say? You wanted these children to die, thats not even nelgect, thats -- dead.

Janardana Das: It is actually very painful for me to continue this with you tim lee prabhu.... you make absolutely no sense... and are extremely offensive.. I am confident that you have exposed yourself for what I see you as..... an inside mole.

Prahlad Das: WE NEVER WANTED CHILDREN DEAD! GET IT?

Janardana Das: Prahlad it's ok... lets just wait for the mature vaisnavas to show up...and offer their opinion.

Tim Lee: Yes, you want dead children and you just admit that, you said our saving them was wrong, that means you wanted them to die, you are a child chopper yourself. Yes, you said saving them was wrong, that means you wanted them dead

Janardana Das: After all, Tim Lee could not provide any documentation where you say you support child chopping... he has been defeated.

Tim Lee: I provided it, Prahlad said put these offensive people on upraised swords, that is what they were saying about the children, they are offenders. Anyway, heh heh heh, you guys have to prove that upraised swords does not chop people up, good luck.

Janardana Das: Ladies and Gentlemen.... I give you Tim Lee, Pada1008, lets all give him a round of applause for his very powerful and intelligent debating skills.

Tim Lee: Anyway, sorry, many of the kulis were outraged at the Sanat and Mukunda program that was asking for them to be chopped up, ask them.

<At this point Chandra Shaker deleted the entire post & all of the above comments>

Chandra Shaker: I deleted that last post i dont want held responsible for causing even more fighting...sorry you can continue as you wish im taking a back seat on this topic for now. Hare Krsna.

Prahlad Das: Well done, censoring an important post with dozens of comments, wasting devotees time, and protecting a poisonous person. Well done prabhu. Good service.

Janardana Das: well they say that this is the age of "revealing"...how interesting, we all knew of tim lees character... that was obvious. Now we are learning the character... the true self of chandra shakar... I am actually shocked at this. Thankfully prahlad saved the thread which clearly shows tim lee defeated and babbling like a mad man. Is tim lee your ritvik priest guru chandra shekar prabhu? Did he give you the gayatri tape? what sort of mind control spell are you under prabhu? Sincerely cry to Prabhupada and he will guide you. I wish you well prabhu. Hare krsna. Agtsp...

Narada-kunda Dasi: "Therefore, what you have said in darkness will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in private rooms will be shouted from the housetops." Luke 12: