PADA: 'Prahlad is a Child-Eating Demon' !!!

PADA (Tim Lee / Puranjana / krishna1008):

As soon as someone says, we need to follow the directives of Srila Prabhupada, then the GBC, Prahlad types, the Jaipur For Truth (HKC), they all say in unison "this must be stopped"! That makes them servants of the GBC, who also wants this process stopped. Why do they always want to stop the worship of the pure devotee, and attack anyone who is worshiping the pure devotee?.. Why do the Jaipur for Truth folks openly oppose making Srila Prabhupada the giver of initiations and his being the focus of the initiates, and they want to torpedo anyone doing that?.. Right, as soon as someone says Srila Prabhupada is the person we need to have faith in, then the Jaipur for Truth people say -- attack, attack, attack...

Well there is it, Vyasa pooja for Srila Prabhupada is something we need to have stopped, and the JFT folks are helping the GBC and Rocana do that... Oh heaven's no, we cannot go back to pre-1977 where Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya! That has to be stopped, and the GBC and their dedicated pals at JFT people are out to stop it... GBC and their servants at JFT are mis-directing everyone to cause confusion, as they have all along since 1978.

Janardana Das:

What is Puranjana Dasa (Tim Lee) talking about? He has zero basis, its’ 100% distortion and lies. Did he even acknowledge the fact that Hare Krishna Community devotees have been the target of attacks and harassment at all? He took HKC’s sincere complaints against Akshaya Patra devotees and the terror they have been causing and reversed them, completely flipped the actual truth of the matter to point the blame towards HKC as the instigators. You can easily read through poor Tim’s rhetoric and see his bias towards Bangalore. He is not impartial whatsoever. I would imagine he gets some sort of compensation for his propaganda666 blog, from Bangalore/Yasodanandana.

An impartial eye is crucial on this issue, unfortunately most devotees have taken shelter in Bangalore because “they are the only ones doing anything”, which is not true, they are the most well funded undoubtedly. Jaipur HKC is doing awesome preaching in the name of Prabhupada and there are also other small time temples/homes or farms that are also working sincerely towards Prabhupadas mission. Bangalore is trying to OWN the term “Prabhupadanuga” and make a central power under their control/agenda, using their GBC. This is clearly Machiavellian/demoniac tactics as Srila Prabhupada wanted every temple to be independent and locally governed/run. This is why Jaipur HKC devotees and ANY OTHER sincere devotees who want a Prabhupadanuga program apart from the control mechanisms of Bangalore are in danger and facing these aggressions. I feel this is a very important issue at this point, that for too long has gone unnoticed and unchecked.. Jiv Jago..

Prahlad Das:

Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) is #1 hypocrite as it is he who is doing all the personal attacks and mud-slinging. This is all he has done for 30+ years. He (and his little gang of bad-mannered, low-intelligence followers) are the reason why the Prabhupadanuga ‘ritviks’ are seen as offensive, fanatical, crazy, liars, etc.. His job is to defame the real Prabhupadanugas (except IB/AP Corporation) and cause fighting between them. He is paid-up cheerleader of ISKCON Bangalore and acts under the orders of Yasodanandana (IB’s ‘Western advisor’ & GBC). He likes to take the credit for the services of others, then demonises those devotees. He is seen, and promoted, by many 'ritvik' devotees who think he is some kind of leader of the Prabhupadanugas, but he is only a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They have fallen for his decades of lies and distortions. He is not even a devotee.

Now he is attacking, demonising & offending the genuine, sincere Prabhupadanugas from HKC Jaipur. He has gone too far. The worldwide Prabhupadanugas should demand that he and Madhu Pandit will stop their un-Vaisnava and low-class behaviour towards those who are sincerely trying to push on Prabhupada’s mission and strictly follow all of his instructions. They should meet for Istaghosti and resolve these issues, but so far they have only set their attack dog (Puranjana) on anybody who disagrees with them in any way. What kind of ‘devotees’ will continue to behave like this?

PADA (Tim Lee / Puranjana / krishna1008):

Right, as soon as we said (A) there was no guru appointment, (B) children are being abused, (C) books are being changed, (D) Srila Prabhupada is being poisoned etc., then the GBC and their agents like Prahlad called us "mud-slinging" -- for 30+ years. Sorry, we were and are right on all these issues. 

Notice, anyone who says child abuse is bad is -- mud slinging. Anyone who says homosexual pedophiles are not messiahs is "speaking mud for 30+ years." OK, so that means Prahlad wants the deviants to be his worshiped messiahs, and no one should object? That is how these people kept the child molesting going on for such a long time, they chopped the legs off our protest by calling us mud slingers, instead of saying, wow, we have to join PADA and STOP this child abuse. Right, anyone who objects to deviants posing as messiahs is slinging mud, this is how Prahlad and his GBC got Sulochana killed, hundreds of children molested, and so on and so forth. The GBC / Prahlad group demonizes anyone who protests the molester messiahs, and this gets us people killed. 

What will be the result of protecting and defending child abuse by saying anyone who protests is slinging mud? The abuse will continue, plain and simple. Prahlad thinks we should not object to child abuse, because its simply slinging mud. OK its very clear, he is defending the perverts and abusers by saying we should not criticize them. That is because, rather self evidently, he is with the perverts, he loves them so much so that he is infuriated with our exposing his favorite program. Anyone who resists child abuse is a mud slinger, ok, he is in favor of the child abusers.

If anyone who objects to homosexuals and pedophiles is slinging mud, that self-evidently means Prahlad loves the pedophiles process. This is basically what happened post -1977, anyone who was against child abuse was a mud slinging demon. And that is what not only the bogus GBC folks said, but the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad team said, our objecting to child abuse is "mud slinging." Anyone who says children need to be protected is -- slinging mud? That apparently means, they think child abuse is good and normal, because anyone who objects "slings mud," ok they seem to think child molesting is wonderful and good, and protesting child abuse is mud. That is how these thinkers protected that program all along. And now, they are proud that so many were victimized because they shot down our protest as "mud"? And got some of us killed?

Calling us names is how the GBC / Prahlad types promoted and protected the child molester program in the first place. And this is amazing, they are actually proud so many children were abused, because still think that anyone who objected to the child abuse program was slinging mud, because quite self-evidently, they love the child abuse program. 

What amazes us is -- that after it has been proven that there was a big problem here, and we were right to complain about it, the defenders of the child abuse program are still angry that -- we exposed this program. In sum, they are in love with the child abuse program. Even Wyatt says, oh this is all PADA's lies. Nope, hundreds of witnesses submitted legal affadavits that we are right on this issue. We wish it was "all lies" (more folks have provided more details to us recently to verify these problems).

And so the GBC and their barking dog Prahlad are angry we exposed this abuse issue, instead of being happy that in 1997 we helped get hundreds of kids pulled out of these abusive schools, as happened after 1997 when we went after this program. Prahlad apparently wanted these hundreds of kids to stay in the schools and the status quo of the molester messiah's program to continue, because he is with them saying this is all mud slinging. Our stopping that anti-children program is simply mud, that is all Krishna's dear children are to these people, a pile of mud. Children are simply meat on a hook to be exploited for these people. Damn good thing we exposed them and objected, and got these hundreds of kids pulled out! We for sure did the right thing to save hundreds of children from the child-eating demon Prahlad's group!

Prahlad says our saving these children's lives is simply mud, he thinks children are simply mud to be crushed down to dust. Children are simply piles of mud and dirt for these people, as one of the ex-children to us "we were simply a piece of meat to be passed around." And Prahlad is with that group because he is angry we exposed this, and saved kids from his meat hooks program. Every time we say there was a child molesting problem, Prahlad is saying that is mud slinging, these children are piles of mud to be exploited, ok very obvious, he loves the child abuser program. The HKC had better write something to distance themselves from this ideology, because Prahlad is acting as their spokesman.

Some GBC goondas and their hero Prahlad say the words of the pure devotee are ALSO all mud, and we are bad for promoting all these materials. In sum, Prahlad is just like many of the GBC, he is infuriated we published these materials. Notice, for many of the bogus GBC and their supporters like Prahlad, the words of the pure devotee are "mud," and children are even worse mud, everything that is important to Srila Prabhupada (his children and his words) is all mud for these people, because it exposes their real program to exploit children and these words.  

Thus! These people are infuriated that we are getting out the words of the pure devotee. In other words, people like Prahad love bogus appointed gurus, love child molesters. love book changers, and of course love poisoners of pure devotees, because as soon as anyone objects to these vile actions of these crooks -- the bogus sectors of the GBC and their attack dog Prahlad attack the people who object. That means they want the criminals to win, because Prahlad is joining hands with the bogus parts of the GBC to attack anyone who exposes these crimes.

This is why these crimes have been going on, because the lovers of the criminals are infuriated that we are attacking their criminal operations. The bogus parts of the GBC wanted to have us killed, and recently Prahlad said he is working with some deviant GBC goons to get us killed. In other words, anyone who publishes Srila Prabhupada's materials is distributing mud. As Sulochana used to say, people like Prahlad are boot lickers for the deviant gurus. As soon as we expose these problems, we are slinging mud, and that defends the evil doers.

Yes the bogus GBC / Prahlad das / HKC  puzzle is all finally all fitting together. You got it! You are correct, the bogus GBC, Dayalu nitai, HKC, Prahlad group -- are ALL stomping their jack boots in unison, saying that we ALL have to accept the GBC's homosexual pedophile acharyas program -- because the Dayarama courts accept and endorse that program, and ruled in favor of that process. Yes, they ARE ALL saying child molester messiahs programs are authorized, if the courts approve of that program. I would not say what you are, that they have dog's turds for brains, its actually worse than that, they are deviants. Its not a question of loss of intelligence, they support deviations. Even people with "dog turds for brains" do not support pedophile messiah programs, even the most ignorant people have way more sense than this, they do not support such deviations. We have reviewed a number of letters from these Prahlad / HKC people -- and they all say they agree that the Dayarama pedophile guru's process is bona fide -- since the courts approve and support that program and its leaders.

Yep! They ALL agree and say that homosexual pedophile guru programs are bona fide "if  the courts approve" such programs. They have lost all connection to Srila Prabhupada, or never had any in the first place. Yep, you are also correct, the same bogus GBC / HKC / Prahlad "bona fide courts" also "approve" abortion, female baby-cide, meat eating, alcohol, drugs, pornography, tossing baby chicks into meat grinders -- and only Yamaraja knows the list of what else their wonderful courts are approving. They accept as bona fide authority the courts that approve all this, and bogus GBC / HKC / Prahlad are infuriated we exposed their pedophile messiahs program because they are ALL in support of the Dayarama courts.

In sum, they ALL accept not only secular courts, but they ALL accept the authority of pedophile messiah programs if these bogus courts support such programs. Yes, they ALL agree with the courts who approve of pedophile messiahs programs, as Sulochan used to say, "birds of a feather flop together." Yes, secular authority is bogus for all the reasons stated above. Yes, these people are collectively trying to destroy the Hare Krishna religion, we agree.

Prahlad says anyone who publishes Srila Prabhupada's materials is slinging mud. Prahlad says anyone who exposes child molesters and saves hundred of children by getting them pulled out, is slinging mud. Prahlad says anyone who helps a lawsuit to get original books is slinging mud because these books are all mud. Prahlad says anyone who exposes Srila Prabhupada being poisoned is slinging mud, because he loves Judas. Thats its. HKC, you better take notice of all this.

http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/prahlad-writes-pada-update.html

Prahlad Das:

BUT... I'm not saying ANY of those things... NEVER have... NEVER will... Neither are any of the devotees of HKC Jaipur!
I am NOT 'GBC' or 'authority' for any group or person anywhere!
I've been a strict Vegetarian for 30+ years, so NO CHILD-EATING either!

PS - The only devotees using & accepting the authority of the "Jesus-killing", "abortion-approving" demoniac courts (and paying them millions!) are bogus GBC ISKCON and ISKCON Bangalore... And Tim himself of course, when he was happy to use the court to blame Prabhupada for the child-abuse in his & Pratyatosa's Windle-Turley lawsuit.

Puranjana dragged to Hell by Yamadutas (Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 4)

'Shills and the Owning of Truth' by Krishna Kirtan Das

One thing that becomes evident quickly is how Puranjana's (Tim Lee/PADA/krishna1008) style of communication only benefits the bad guys, Alex Jones style. I have personally banned Tim Lee from my FaceBook wall long ago, and he knows why.

What kind of tactic is this? I don't care to find out who these guys really are (I highly suspect), but I will say this.

The manipulative individuals in this atheistic society running behind the scenes know well what is really going on from the very early beginning. Since they know that the truth can not be hidden, they come in early and appropriate themselves of it (own the narrative); in other words, become the 'owners' of the truth, start disseminating actual truth and subsequently gaining some credibility, but then later start to mix lies and misinformation within their material. And there is one key element: focus only on what's bad but never offer tangible solutions and never show interest in engaging in any type of honest dialog with others who may challenge their tone, in fact attack them instead. In other words, Cointel: Infiltrate your group, create disruption, and run off the reasonable pacifists within the group. That way the actually good and sincere can never influence or speak.

Not only that, but the Alex Jones style is all very well known now in all circles. That guy has been totally exposed as a hateful shill.

Anyway, so what ends up happening? That kind of approach actually ends up waking up some people in the course of their history, but for the most part alienating a whole host of others, because most thoughtful people and innocent objective truth seekers (which is the majority), are not interested in listening CONSTANTLY (I say constantly) to words such as "molester-messiahs, penis, child-chopping, homosexual pedophiles, penetrating this and that, kill, kill, kill, etc." on a constant basis. All things which may be true to a certain extent but the message carries a special mix: the CONSTANT endless tirade of hate. Not that some of it may not be justified, but the incessant use of non-objectivity is exactly their ultimate goal and objective. Tim Lee's record for instance shows precisely this.

This gets people, who don't see their game, divided and alienated (or accepting and partaking of his hate, great isn't it?), or hating the messenger and subsequently the message, or altogether dismissing any real objective facts, or worse yet: not learning anything at all and simply going away. Back to sleep!...

What motivates them to act in this way? Very simple. It's just a way to block the DOOR from the massive influx of the genuine who are interested in truth, which is a river flow. See, most people have 'normal' lives, are reasonable, therefore you must know HOW to talk with them, not simply WHAT to tell them. But instead what they do is simply alienate everyone on purpose, stealthy done sometimes over long periods of time.

So even within the awakened group of individuals, what happens? When such people are given the microphone and/or own it, everyone spends their time on the so-called 'justified' hate being spilled and not enough time on what really matters, which is the truth as it SHOULD be spoken and presented!

Tim Lee's material is a perfect example of hateful speech going on for decades.

My research informs me that this all simply a tactic, documented by many others in all branches of truth movements. If they were actually interested in truth, everyone would (and can) use a little more discretion in their manner of speech. Besides, all the 'hate' that needed to be said, has been already said NUMEROUS times. When is it ever going to stop? In the view of the shill it should never stop!

Over the years I did wake up to some of the things going around by reading Puranjana's material, but my reading of it was just enough to extract what I needed from it. His tone actually alienated me so much (it never changed) that I had considered him incoherent and unqualified to be speaking. His so-called leadership in these matters actually made me stay away from it all.

Swimming the river upstream can get pretty intense, because while learning the truth, being confronted with hard evidence, you nevertheless find that who is out there representing such evidence are elements who carry the tone and choice of presentation on par with the satanic urban dictionary.

As for myself, I never took him as some kind of superhero. I always felt that if I wanted to learn the truth I would have to read and learn from all, even the enemy's material. In other words, I had to think for myself, research for myself.

I would dare say that placing Puranjana (Tim Lee) as some kind of hero is simply fanatic excitement on the part of a newcomer, as if he/she has finally found their messiah. Not only that, but if Puranjana was for real he would humble himself and not be constantly bragging about what he claims he did, how much he did, or how incredible he thinks he is. (eg. saving the ex-Gurukulis from a 'suicide-epidemic).

All super heroic acts? Not really. His so-called heroic act in drumming up the Gurukuli lawsuit, simply contributed to something which was actually drafted and designed to further destroy ISKCON from within and from without, both sides cooperating from their respective positions.

Puranjana did alright, although I still suspect him of either having lack of communication etiquette (incompetence) or of working for the bad guys, likely both. Alex Jones did alright too, just like all the other 'truther' shills, including one of the most thoughtful and eloquent, namely David Icke, and others. All rascals!

(Krishna Kirtan)

Bharatarshabha Dasa (ISKCON Bangalore) Censors Prabhupada's Instructions re. Kirtan Standards

Bharatarshabha Dasa (ISKCON Bangalore) wrote the following article on ISKCON Times but did not include any of Srila Prabhupada's instructions regarding kirtan standards & the public presentation of Krsna consciousness. We sent him many quotes (below) but he refused to publish any of them in his article saying that they were not relevant! Why is he deliberately hiding Prabhupada's instructions from the devotees? Is he acting independently or is this ISKCON Bangalore policy?

Western Music Kirtans at ISKCON Bangalore:

ISKCON Bangalore's 'Yugadharma Band' 2014

Hip-thrusting, rock & rolling bramachari Sarvalakshan Das (Akshaya Patra / FOLK Jaipur) also ignored/deleted Prabhupada's numerous quotes about Kirtan standards:

'Kirtans with Western music - there is no harm' - Srila Prabhupada
By: Bharatarashabha Dasa       

A reply to objections raised by some devotees on ISKCON Bangalore conducting the New Year eve celebrations where Western music accompanied kirtans.

The New Year eve event was organized by ISKCON Bangalore as a means to engage the youth in an innovative manner through which Krishna consciousness is packaged into a programme. It generally starts with playing the recording of a lecture by Srila Prabhupada. It also has many devotees preaching about the importance of Krishna consciousness. Plays are staged by the youth based on Srimad Bhagavatam and Chaitanya Charitamrita. Interspersed between these are kirtans of ISKCON sung to the accompaniment of Western musical instruments with pop or rock and roll music. But some purists, so-called strict adherents of Srila Prabhupada are objecting to this saying that it is against Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. They are even going to the extent of branding ISKCON Bangalore devotees as deviants and not true followers of Prabhupada.

The so-called strict adherents’ assertions on this issue can be summarized as follows: 

1. We should never have any kirtan at any time by using Rock and Roll, and a true follower of Srila Prabhupada never participates in any such event. 

2. Srila Prabhupada by his personal example demonstrated that it is better to do only traditional kirtans all the time and never use pop or Western style because even in the Mantra Rock Dance he sang kirtans with kartalas.

3. Anybody who is conducting an event with Rock and Roll is deviating from his example and is faithless in his words and is a deviant and not a strict follower of Prabhupada.

4. Srila Prabhupada sung some 50 odd melodies and only those should be sung and nothing else.

5. This is the Vaishnava standard of kirtans and we should strictly follow it and never deviate from this and if we do so we are going away from the Parampara.

6. Pop,  etc., should not be used at all for singing songs related to Krishna

The Mantra-Rock Dance poster by Harvey W. Cohen (created December 1966)

Most of the above assertions by these so-called adherents are assumptions and are not directly mentioned by Prabhupada. On the contrary he himself by his personal example authorized packaging of Krishna conscious content with pop and other forms of musical tunes with a view to attract gross outsiders. These so-called strict Prabhupada adherents are adding words into Prabhupada’s words and actions and interpreting it in a particular way due to their bias. They lack faith in the instructions of the spiritual master. There is a clear precedence in Srila Prabhupada’s action itself to prove that he allowed the usage of POP and other forms of Western music to be part of packaging Krishna conscious kirtans and philosophy to attract gross outsiders, but he also warned that these should not be part of regular temple kirtans and programmes.

The most obvious precedent is the Mantra Rock Dance event:

Source: wikipedia

To raise funds, gain supporters for the new temple, and to popularize Prabhupada's teachings among the hippie and counter-cultural audience of the Haight-Ashbury scene, the team decided to hold a charitable rock concert and invited Prabhupada to attend. Despite his position as a Vaishnava sannyasi and some of his New York followers objecting to what they saw as an inappropriate invitation of their guru to a place full of "amplified guitars, pounding drums, wild light shows, and hundreds of drugged hippies," Prabhupada agreed to travel from New York to San Francisco and take part in the event. Using their acquaintance with Rock Scully, manager of the Grateful Dead, and Sam Andrew, founding member and guitarist of the Big Brother and the Holding Company – who were among the most prominent rock bands in California at the time – Shyamasundar and Gurudas secured their consent to perform for charity at the concert, charging only the "musicians' union minimum" of $250. Malati Dasi happened to hear Moby Grape, a relatively unknown group at the time, and she convinced the other team members to invite the band to play at the concert as well.

After a short address by Prabhupada, Ginsberg sang "Hare Krishna" to the accompaniment of sitar, tambura, and drums, requesting the audience to "Just sink into the sound vibration, and think of peace." Then Prabhupada stood up and led the audience in dancing and singing, as the Grateful Dead, Big Brother and the Holding Company, and Moby Grape joined the chanting and accompanied the mantra with their musical instruments. The audience eagerly responded, playing their own instruments and dancing in circles.

Because of their bias, these purists are forgetting that Srila Prabhupada himself authorized an event called Mantra Rock Dance to be conducted for the purpose of raising funds for the temple and he himself attended it. He did not criticize Allen Ginsberg for singing Hare Krishna Mantra in his own musical tune in mantra rock dance. He did not object to the various musicians playing their instruments accompanying his kirtans in the mantra rock dance event.

Please read the following conversation that took place in Vrindavana on Nov 25th 1976.

Prabhupada: No, no. Not in the temple. If the wordings are all right, so there is no... If there is no mistake in the set-up of the wording, the change of musical tune, that is not harmful.

Gopala Krishna: This one tape that Alex has made, he gave me a copy in Bombay to listen. I just played it...

Prabhupada: Hare Krishna, this vibration, you can make in different tune. We are already doing that.

Hari-sauri: We're talking about these songs that they are writing.

Jagadisa: Philosophy songs.

Prabhupada: And therefore we have to see the words.

Hari Sauri: Like this "caterpillar had a change of heart."

Jagadisha: If the words are all right, then they can be played in the temple?

Gopala Krishna: Because no one can hear the words. It's the pop music that people hear.

Akshyananda: Actually the words are just like modern pop songs. You can't tell really what it means. I suggested to those people. I said, "Why don't you put music to Prabhupada's books? Take the words straight from your..."

Hari Sauri: No, Prabhupada's approved this method for attracting karmis.

Akshyananda: Yes, not for devotees.

Hari Sauri: But the thing is once you become a devotee, we don't need...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Akshyananda: That kind of music also reminds us of past bad activities, sinful activities.

Hari Sauri: The question is whether should it be played in the temple or not?

Prabhupada: Temple may not be played. What is use of playing in the temple?

Gopala Krishna: I know from practical experience, Srila Prabhupada, that... I just played this Alex's record. It's all current pop music with English philosophy wording. And all the brahmacharis were so agitated, they came to my room to listen and they were, you know, really making fun of it like it was a pop...

Akshyananda: Because that style of music it reminds us of the nightclubs or whatever it might be.

Prabhupada: Therefore I said it is better not to make these records.

Gopala Krishna: Just your these records and parampara records should be played, I think. There are so many tapes of your records.

Hari Sauri: This style that they are doing now, they explain that they wanted that because then that way, they'll be able get them played on the radio. Otherwise they won't play bhajans or anything on the radio. But there's a distinction between that kind of music and pure Krishna consciousness music. Even though the words indicate Krishna consciousness, most of the songs are written in such a way that it's indirect. It's not directly Krishna.

Gopala Krishna: But you can't hear the words.

Prabhupada: Yes, indirect.

Hari Sauri: They give this thing, "The caterpillar changed his mind," like that. It provokes some speculation.

Prabhupada: No, indirect for gross outsiders, not for us. Therefore they should not be played in the temple. Gross outsider only.
<Note by Prahlad Das - As we can see in the Bangalore rock band videos above, there are many Brahmacaris & temple devotees dancing along. Are they also "gross outsiders"? And the poster for SANKALP 2014 actually states "ONLY FOR FOLK MEMBERS">

In this conversation, Srila Prabhupada is authorizing the use of POP music to attract gross outsiders by songs composed in English about Krishna conscious philosophy by his disciples. 

ISKCON Bangalore is conducting a programme on New Year’s eve to engage the youth in Krishna Conscious activities  and we are getting budding musicians to  sing our Narasimha kirtan, etc., in POP or Western style to attract “gross outsiders”. Many of these students sing the kirtans in college on their own and it is making them think of Krishna. They would have anyway heard some hard rock. But instead they have been guided to hear about Krishna and we are thus attracting a gross outsider as mentioned by Srila Prabhupada.

This is one of the many events which ISKCON Bangalore is conducting for the youth. We engage the more serious youth in nagar sankirtan, book distribution, cleaning the temple and other services. Many of them eventually take to serious chanting and take initiation and some even join the temple as sevaites.

On the other hand, ISKCON Bangalore is also sensitive to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions that kirtans in the temple are to be standard. The devotees are using instruments authorized by Srila Prabhupada and are singing tunes as per standard in the temple and festivals. In fact the temple has forbidden using Bongos and other instruments in the kirtans and temple related programmes. 

These so-called adherents should see the context of how a particular instruction of Srila Prabhupada was followed rather than going overboard and branding ISKCON Bangalore as a deviant and not a true follower of Srila Prabhupada.

Hare Krishna. (Bharatarshabha Dasa)
http://iskcontimes.com/kirtans-with-western-music#comment-52083

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The Prabhupada quotes Bharatarshabha Dasa / ISKCON Bangalore / FOLK Jaipur deleted and refused to publish: http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/srila-prabhupada-kirtan-standards.html

PADA: "Prahlad wants to destroy the entire Krishna religion!"

Timothy Lie



Tim Lee / PADA / krishna1008 January 20, 2014:

[Thanks **** prabhu, Thats fine, my point is, before we side with people like Prahlad, we have to look at his Illuminati and other bogus links he is posting..]

Prahlad Das: What "Illuminati' and other bogus links"? Tim blocked me on FaceBook months ago, so he cannot even see what I am posting.

[..his association with GBC clones like Bhakta das..]

Prahlad Das: I have NO association with Bhakta Das: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/bhakta-dasa-missing-link.html

[..etc..]

Prahlad Das: Who is "etc."?

[..and the fact Prahlad wants to destroy the entire Krishna religion by siding with people who say the religion teaches it should kill and chop up child molesting victims. And they sent that odious material to the Dallas courts and New York Times -- to attempt to legally prove that this is what Krishna teaches, and they wanted to prove that legally in Dallas courts. They publicly want to advertise the Krishna religion as a child chopping program, and legally prove that by sending that idea to the Dallas Courts / New York Times etc., they want to destroy the entire religion in public. Fortunately, even karmis know that Krishna does not teach that He wants to have to molested children killed and chopped up, but that is what they want to have promoted in Krishna's name, legally and in court, and in the New York Times etc. They want to legally prove this is a child chopper cult, and they are angry that this did not happen, their plan to destroy the religion by painting as a child murdering cult has not worked, so they are angry. Even Windle Turley, as much as he does not understand things, even he knows Krishna does not teach chopping up children like these guys are teaching in public, New York Times, in court etc..]

Prahlad Das: Complete nonsense. There was NEVER even any "child-chopping" letter to begin with!: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/conversation-about-iskcon-children.html

[..We have to look at the fact Prahlad is living in Vrndavana and complains he is alone and without association..]

Prahlad Das: Is it now a sin to choose to live alone in Vrindavan for some time? I am not complaining. In fact i consider myself very fortunate to have such an opportunity.

[..He cannot do anything except try to take down the ritviks and destroy their preaching. The riviks will have faults, agreed, but before we take them down, we might look at what happens if that is done, then we will have people wandering around with no association, no temples, no programs, no nothing, like Prahlad..]

Prahlad Das: How am I trying to "take down the ritviks and destroy their preaching"?.. Oh, I'm not. That is your job.

[..Right now Bangalore has some books distribution with brahmacharis, just like we had in the old days. They are printing and distributing original books and etc., they are preaching, they are making devotees, and if we assist in taking them down, then we will be another version of Prahlad, we will have nothing. And if that program fails Prahlad would be happy. That is my point. I am not defending anyone's faults, I am saying that if all we do is point to other's faults all the time, then we will have nothing, as Prahlad does..]

Prahlad Das: All Tim Lee has done for the last 30 years is point out other's faults. And if he cannot find any faults he just makes them up!: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/unproven-crazy-accusations-by-tim-lee.html

[..In sum, he should not be our leader or example of how to do things..]

Prahlad Das: I have no desire to become anyone's leader. I am just trying to follow Prabhupada's example of how to do things and encouraging other Prabhupadanugas to do the same. Deviating from Prabhupada's instructions will be the cause of downfall for the Prabhupadanuga 'ritviks'.

[..Bangalore branch temple here has never had any rock and roll music, its not their main emphasis, this whole issue has been overblown by a person who wants to take the whole thing down. He sifts through tons of material to find one fault and he goes ballistic on that, to take us all down, he is not a person we should be promoting, that's my point. ys pd]

Prahlad Das: Who is promoting me? I am not trying to "take the whole thing down". I am just concerned about a few deviations from Srila Prabhupada's instructions that are taking place in Bangalore, as in the rest of ISKCON: http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/strong-preaching-was-essence.html

Where is the Prabhupadanuga Leadership?

To whom it may concern...

Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I would like to know who the Prabhupadanuga community considers leaders amongst the Prabhupadanugas as a whole? I have addressed serious concerns and so far nobody has come forth to offer their seniority or wisdom to help solve the issue(s) being discussed.

I was impartial for the most part regarding this issue with Tim Lee and PADA. It wasn't until recently that Krsna revealed some truth to me regarding this subject matter. After watching in utter horror at the foul language and personal attacks being thrown like stool, between Tim Lee and NN and his wife mother Rupa Manjari and Nobody doing ANYTHING TO STOP IT, and now watching the infighting between Prahlad das and Tim Lee's numerous articles accusing Prahlad prabhu of being a "child chopper" and what not, I feel absolutely compelled to become involved in this discussion. It is my duty at this point.

There now seems to be a full on movement to address this issue of PADA. It is growing rapidly, and the pressure is mounting for the leaders of the Prabhupadanuga groups to do something. So let us discuss what to do? This isn't going to go away no matter how much we try to ignore it. It must be addressed at this point.

I propose the Prabhupadanugas talk about disassociating themselves with PADA, as it really seems to be hurting our reputation among the devotional community at large. PADA could also be considered hate speech, which is illegal and has consequences in the real world.

If the leaders fail to act on this issue and continue ignoring this very serious problem, in due course you will have another "splinter group" the "Prabhupadanugas against PADA", in which there are already several hundred and growing.

This will not go away... This issue will remain for as long as PADA continues to destroy the Prabhupadanuga's reputation and blaspheme sincere Prabhupadanugas. I am truly concerned about this issue, and now I am truly concerned about the "leadership" or lack thereof of the Prabhupadanuga community.

I thank you for your consideration on this very serious matter.
All glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, our only shelter in this age of hypocracy and quarrel.

ys - Janardana Das (21/7/13)
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Bhakta Peter: Its very concerning because Puranjana has done a lot of good work exposing and documenting the bogus gurus, but then when i read him write things that are not true it simply discredits all this other good hard work he has done, Makes no sense.

Narada-kunda Dasi: It does make sense in light of the typical disinfo artists on the net -- the good ones write mostly truth, even up to 80-90%, to gain credibility. Another thing is "running the narrative" and thus precluding sincere people from taking the lead.

Bhakta Peter: yup, the best way to decieve people is to mix lies in with the truth. Since Tim lied about Mukunda and Prahlad, then how do i know he's telling the truth on his site about people like Radhanatha and Bhakti Caru swami? Even saying one lie discredits a person.

Bhakta Dasa - The Missing Link!

Below are just a few statements 'PADA' has made in his increasingly desperate attempts to create a 'guilty-by-association' link between Bhakta Dasa and myself & other Prabhupadanugas:

"Prahlad is now licking the jack boots of Bhakta and Radhanath, he is licking the jack boots of the leaders of the molester messiahs program"

"On their web site the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Bhakta das team attacks us profusely for our program of cutting off the supply line of children going to the ISKCON Auschwitz / molestation program"

"Why is Prahlad kissing the ground where the defenders of the molester messiahs program walk, ok like Bhakta das? Why is Prahlad always kissing the jackboots of the molester messiah program supporters? Now we know why, because he wants to have the devotees of Srila Prabhupada killed so the molester pooja agenda will prevail"

 "Bhakta das has also expressed his support for Radhanath, and now the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahald / Pancali team are glorifying the Bhakta das program"

"Bhakta das is now being forwarded as a great speaker and authority not only by the GBC's guru groupies program, but also by the Prahlad / Sanat / Mukunda / Pancali team"

 "They love the supporters of the child molester pooja program like Bhakta das, and they despise anyone who does not lick the boots of the pedophile messiahs program cheer leaders as their program is doing"

"Prahlad recruited Bhakta das to join his FB group, and then Prahlad has been promoting his group where Bhakta das then emerged as its loud mouth spokesman / co-recruiter / Prahlad's second in command henchman for their group"

"Prahlad admits he is promoting and working with Sanat, who is directly promoting GBC guru cheer leaders like Bhakta das."

"Prahlad is in bed with the cheer leaders of the people who are promoting a program of suing and shutting our children's food program down, namely the GBC gurus and their henchman Bhakta das"

"We caught Prahlad in a giant lie when he says he has no connections to Bhakta das. So Bhakta das is a well known cheer leader of the GBC gurus, and they are propping him up as their spokesman"

"They are now saying they are "big men" for promoting Bhakta das, the cheer leader of the molester messiahs program"

"They are working with Bhakta das to revive this bogus guru appointment, they are stuck way back in the past. The rest of us have all moved on since we exposed their lies a long time agoo"

"We caught the Prahlad team in bed with these folks having a whoop dee doo "lets stop the poison investigation" party, so we can save Judas and Pontius Pilate. So Prahlad has to start to answer these points if he wants any of this settled."

Anyway, you get the idea. I could post 100's more examples, taken from dozens of articles published by 'PADA' on his krishna1008 blog over the last 6 months where he states that myself, Janardan, Pancali & others are promoters/supporters/cheer-leaders/disciples/jackboot-lickers, etc of Bhakta Dasa. I have repeatedly told him that we DO NOT support Bhakta Das in any way, NEVER have, and NEVER will, but Tim takes no notice and just continues to write lie after lie feverishly trying to create a link where there just isn't one. I didn't even know who Bhakta Dasa was until Timmy Liar started writing that I was his #1 supporter!

~ Prahlad Das ~
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UPDATE December 2015:

Tim is still writing on his blog on an almost weekly basis that myself, HKC Jaipur and other Prabhupadanugas support Kali-chelas such as Bhakta Das, Hari Sauri and Radhanath. It was nothing but LIES when i wrote the above 2 years ago and it is still LIES now. Tim Lee is simply trying to demonise REAL PRABHUPADANUGAS to make himself 'king of the ritvik hill'. (If you want to control the opposition, the best way is to lead it). Devotees such as Mahesh Raja actually believe the nonsense that Tim writes. I say one more time. It is all the LIES of Tim Lee. Hare Krishna.

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UPDATE March 2018:

Four years later and Tim Lee is still regularly writing lies on his blog trying to link myself & HKC Jaipur to Bhakta Das!

<PADA: ..And we have had similar problems with "reformer" people like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur etc. They claim they have a "new fix" for the problems of ISKCON, and their fix is, as they sent me links to repeatedly -- everyone has to listen to Bhakta das, a giant cheer leader of the Gaudiya Matha's gurus, the GBC's gurus, and folks like Radhanath and / or the burying of Kirtanananda in a samadhi project...
...Why would any actual Prabhupadanugas promote the Bhakta das program? Good question. We would say, no actual Prabhupadanuga would promote his program. Are these people trying to sneak in the GBC's guru agenda to hi-jack the ritviks process, or worse to attempt to make the Prabhupadanuga's program fail by their interfering with the ritviks? It appears to be the case? Good questions! Of course, you are probably right as well, we probably do not expect them to answer! Yep! Caught em with their hands in the cookie jar! ys pd>

In the same atricle he is also still saying that i support the promotion of Hitler although the truth is actually the opposite. He has know this for years. He even copied all the Prabhupada quotes from my 2015 Hitler article for his recent Hitler article, but is still saying that i support Mukunda's Hitler promotion program!

See: Prabhupada - Hitler