Wednesday 23 December 2015

Prabhupada - Hitler


UPDATE 15/11/17

Mukunda Das: "I Love Hitler. Closest person we had to a Vedic King...
We should always respect and honour Adolf Hitler. We should give all glories to Adolf Hitler... We should recognise who Adolf Hitler is and offer him all respect and all worship to Adolf Hitler."


 Since the below article was posted Mukunda Das has made dozens of YouTube videos with titles such as "Hitler Predicted The Coming Of Prabhupada", "Hitler & The Waffen SS Protected Caitanya's Sankirtana Movement In It's Embryotic Form" and "Prabhupada Calls For Hitler's Warrior Spirit To Save The World" which only serve to POISON Prabhupada's reputation by repeatedly associating him with Hitler, one of the most hated men in recent history. Why would he do this?

First, Prabhupada's BODY was poisoned, then his BOOKS were poisoned (book-changes), and now Mukunda Das is desperately trying to poison his REPUTATION, so no one will even want to hear him or read his un-changed books. Is this service to Prabhupada? or service to the ADL and other servants of Kali who want to disrupt Prabhupada's mission?

At the time of writing, Mukunda's YouTube channel has 4,966 subscribers, so every time he posts a new Prabhupada+Hitler video all of them will at least see the Hitler/Prabhupada title and thumbnail even if they don't watch the video. And there are all the Prabhupada-Hitler videos in the side-bar. People searching for Hitler videos will see Prabhupada and vice-versa. Many thousands are seeing these and It has cumulative subliminal effect which will make people link Prabhupada to Hitler which will also give ADL an excuse to demonise and censor Srila Prabhupada on the grounds of "anti-semitism" and "holocaust-denial" which is illegal in Germany and other countries. Guilt by association.

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ISKCON Bangalore's spokesman & attack-dog Tim (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) Lee's latest absurd LIE is that I am also a promoter, supporter and “jackboot-licker” of Adolf Hitler on FaceBook - even though I have spent the last 3 years speaking against devotees on FB who selectively quote Srila Prabhupada to make him look like a Hitler-loving, jew-hating, heartless bigot, just to add weight to their own materialistic, political views. These ‘devotees’ then attack me (and/or block me) for posting like this:

Prahlad Das>> “Prabhupada said that maybe Hitler did not kill as many Jews as the allies said he did. He did not say he did not kill any Jews (or other groups). He said Hitler was not so bad man (as the allies said he was) ONLY because he did not use nuclear weapons whereas the allies did (in Japan). NOWHERE DOES PRABHUPADA SAY THAT HIS INITIATED DISCIPLES SHOULD SPEND THEIR TIME PRAISING MATERIALISTIC RASCALS LIKE HITLER IN PUBLIC!


Srila Prabhupada: “Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: “Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.” But we have nothing to do with Hitler in our Krishna Consciousness. Do not be deviated by such ideas.” (Letter to Krsnadasa. Vrindaban. 72-11-07)

Why can’t these Hitler-promoting “devotees” accept this clear instruction from their own Guru? Instead they only make Prabhupada and his followers look like Hitler-loving, fanatical ‘Neo-Nazi’ clowns (all in public). It appears that their love of Hitler is stronger than their love of Srila Prabhupada. Such a shame.

Maybe they should start another Hare Krishna apa-sampradaya?
ISHCON -- The International Society for Hitler Consciousness (aka ‘The Hitleranugas’) ?


And this is the inevitable result of their “preaching”. (Taken from one of Mukunda Dasa’s 100’s of pro-Hitler FB posts):

Jose Rocha>> “I don’t believe S Prabhupada once told Hitler was a good man and also that he did not believe in the concentration camps! These camps were real and the evil on earth! If this is true, I shall leave S Prabhupada right away! HK!”

Just see the nice seva these so-called Vaisnavas are doing for Srila Prabhupada and Lord Chaitanya’s Sankirtan mission!

Here are some examples of what Mukunda Dasa and others are spamming Prabhupada and Hare Krishna FB groups with:




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Prabhupada quotes regarding Hitler


To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)


The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all. (Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)



There is no human being. A big... I gave that a big animal, lion, is fearful to the small animal. But because he is lion, very strong, does it mean that he's a human being? That is going on. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). If one is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he's nothing but animal. So if other small animals praise him, "Oh, you are..." This Gandhi or Indira Gandhi or, and the Hitler and... What is the value? He's a big animal, that's all. (Morning Walk- January 22-23, 1976, Mayapura)
No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection." So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."
(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)


J
ust like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhāgavata has said, sva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Puruṣaḥ paśuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Therefore Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Śrī Vyāsadeva.
(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)



The crowlike birds or crowlike men or karmīs, they're envious. You'll find. And even, without any offense... Just like dog: You pass on. Without any offense, he'll bark, "Ow, ow, ow, ow." (laughter) You have no offense. You have no offense, but it will try to pick up some quarrel with you. Sometime it will come to bite you unless you have got sufficient stick to show. (laughter) So, similar... There are dogs and cats and hogs. There are similar men also. They will simply pick up quarrel unnecessarily. Sometimes political leaders... Just like in Europe, Hitler unnecessarily picked up some war, and there was devastation all over the world. You see. There was no gain. The Germany become defeated and bifurcated. So this leader could not do anything good to the nation, but unnecessarily picked up some quarrel. So that is the cause of world trouble, the crowlike men, the doglike men, the hoglike men. So we have to create paramahaṁsas, good men. Then you can expect peace and prosperity. If you create cats and dogs, then how can you expect that there will be peace, there will be no war, there will be no disturbance? (Lecture on SB 6.1.19 -- Los Angeles, January 15, 1970)


So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There were Lenin, there were Stalin, there were Hitler, there were Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill him... Paritrāṇāya sādhūn..., vināśāya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duṣkṛtām, these asuras, Kṛṣṇa does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."
(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)


    An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war. Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement.
    (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)

    ..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference. Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()

    Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the will to power misdirected or misinterpreted.

    Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.
    (Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)

    Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.

    Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"
    Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.
    (Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)

    Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything. The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still. God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.
    (Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)


    Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?

    Syämasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
    Prabhupäda: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
    Syämasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
    Prabhupäda: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.
    (Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)

    This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, yat taj jñānam. Kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor yat taj-jñānaṁ mataṁ mama. Kṛṣṇa is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gītā is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)

    But now, in modern times, Ravana's dynasty has multiplied into millions. This has given rise to many different opinions, which have made the demons inimical toward one another. Thus they are all competing tooth and nail, trying to kidnap the goddess of fortune, Sita-devi. Each one is thinking, "I am the most cunning, and so I will enjoy Sita-devi all by myself." But like Ravana, all these demons, along with their entire families, are being destroyed. So many powerful leaders like Hitler have come, but enamoured by the illusion of enjoying and exploiting the Supreme Lord's energy and consort—Sita-devi, the goddess of fortune—all of them have been thwarted and crushed in the past, are being thwarted and crushed in the present, and will be thwarted and crushed in the future. The root cause of the aforementioned lament—"In the dispensation of providence, mankind cannot have any rest"—is this demoniac mentality of exploiting and enjoying the Lord's divine energy.
    (RTW 1.2 The Cause of Suffering)

    Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.. (Srila Prabhupada)
    Such questions as yours: why there is so-called discrepancy between the views of Bhagavat and modern scientists regarding the moon and other planets, and whether Hitler is good or bad man, these are most insignificant matters, and for anyone who is sincerely convinced that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, for him these questions do not arise.. [..] Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: "Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.'' But WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HITLER IN OUR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS. DO NOT BE DEVIATED BY SUCH IDEAS. Jnanam jneyam jnana-gamyam,'' (ibid), Krishna is knowledge, He is the object of knowledge, He is the goal of knowledge.
    (Letter to Krsnadasa. Vrindaban. 72-11-07)

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    6 comments:

    1. I mentioned to mukunda personally, that I feel his strategy to propagate these few quotes among all the Prabhupadanuga groups, is not a strategy Srila Prabhupada would endorse. Prabhupada said that hitler was killed by propaganda, do you think he would have been to foolish to publicize these things and make them a central theme in presenting Krishna Consciousness? He only spoke about these things in confidence with his close disciples. The same thing with what he said about blacks, or some of the things he said about jews, were only in close confidence.
      when presenting potentially destructive strategies for preaching or revealing the truth, we should discuss with our fellow god brothers and sisters to see if it would be a good strategy...after all this is war. the problem is that all the warriors in this battle are without a leader and divided by constant in fighting...not to mention scattered about the world and most likely disgruntled and bitter at seeing this movement turn to such shit, which is understandable but we have to be cool headed and intelligent with how we present Srila Prabhupada to the world.

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      1. Yes. If I ever meet Mukunda I'm going to rip his head off for making people physically disgusted with Prabhupada because they think he exalts and glorified Hitler.

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    2. Actually Prabhupada did make these statements about Hitler to the Public and specifically to an English reporter when he was there in England. But the difference is that Prabhupada spoke about Krishna Consciousness first and foremost and would use some controversial statements only as augmentation in the larger interview or lecture. But these devotees like mukunda do not consider the whole picture. The whole lecture is not about Hitler or Jews or Blacks. The whole lecture is about Varnashrama in Krishna Consciousness not just one part of it.

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    3. My friend is a Prabhupada disciple and remarried. His wife now was very interested in Krishna consciousness, until she had an online encounter with this "mukunda" caricature, now she took Srila Prabhupada's murti off of her altar and doesn't want to come to the temple any more. Great preaching!

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    4. Thank you for this article and for making so much effort to compile all these quotes and periodically update them... This whole Hitler propaganda is disgusting, yet some so-called devotees are falling for it... makes you wonder. But using Srila Prabhupada in the service of a mundane asura, to glorify and worship him, is highly offensive.

      ys Narada

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