Letter from Mukunda Dasa to Windle Turley re Gurukuli Abuse Lawsuit (1999)

aka THE INFAMOUS MUKUNDA/SANAT "CHILD-CHOPPING LETTER"

For the last 20 years Tim Lee (PADA) has been repeatedly saying that Mukunda Dasa and Sanat (Sanatan Goswami Dasa) wrote a letter to Windle Turley (and others) regarding the ex-Gurukulu abuse lawsut, saying that children should be chopped up and fed to dogs, etc.. Many devotees have been asking Tim Lee to show this letter for 20 years now but he never did. Anyway, the long wait is finally over! Here is the actual letter sent to Windle-Turley by Mukunda & Sanat:

Dear Windle Turley law firm,

                                        I am writing to you in regards to the Hare Krishna Lawsuit and in particular to the following statement found under the section Plaintiffs Original Complaint:

 

37. The founder of the institution, Prabhupada, was informed in 1972, at a time when he totally controlled the institution, that extensive physical and sexual abuse of minor ISKCON children was occurring, but he concealed the wrongdoing from the public, parents and all but a handful of close advisors.

 

I would like to request you to make a public statement that His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada was in no way whatsoever the cause of any abuse to his spiritual children, and apologise for the above very offensive statement that Srila Prabhupada was covering up this abuse and thus implying that he never tried to rectify this unfortunate situation. You should take note of the following letters:

 

The important matter is that the children are taken care of nicely. Bhavananda was talking with me that in New Vrindaban students were very much neglected. Therefore they were immediately transferred to New York. Every parent wants to see that their children are taken care of very nicely. That is the first duty. If they are not healthy then how they can prosecute their education? If they are undernourished it is not good for their future activities. They must have sufficient quantity of milk and then dhal, capatis, vegetables, and a little fruit will keep them always fit. There is no need of luxurious fatty foods but milk is essential. A big building is also very good for the children's health. They can move freely and run and jump.

(Srila Prabhupada Letter: Satsvarupa 71-10-09)

 

In 1971 when Srila Prabhupada was informed of about children being neglected they were immediately transferred to a better situation in New York where they coulld be taken care of nicely. Please note how Srila Prabhupada instructs children should be taken care of.

 

In the following letter written in 1972 Srila Prabhupada replies to Bhanutanya dasi about her complaint that children in the Dallas Gurukula were sometimes mistreated:

 

  My Dear Bhanutanya dasi,

    Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter undated, and I have noted the contents with great concern. One thing is, I am very much sad to learn that you have left the company of the devotees over this incident at Gurukula school. Now you are living by yourself because you have been hurt by seeing that the children are sometimes mistreated, and because no one has taken your good advice in this connection. But you may be assured that I am always anxious about the welfare of my disciples, so that I am taking steps to rectify this unfortunate situation. Now my advice to you is to give up these feelings and return to your life of Krishna Consciousness devotional service, and if you go back to Dallas school and demonstrate to the other teachers there just the proper way to instruct and discipline the students nicely, that will be a great service. I am forwarding the copy of this letter, with your letter, to Satsvarupa for his immediately attention.
   Now the thing is, children should not be beaten at all, that I have told. They should simply be shown the stick strongly. So if one cannot manage in that way then he is not fit as teacher. If a child is trained properly in Krishna Consciousness, he will never go away. That means he must have two things, love and education. So if there is beating of child, that will be difficult for him to accept in loving spirit, and when he is old enough he may want to go away--that is the danger. So why these things are going on _ marching and chanting japa, insufficient milk, too strict enforcement of time schedules, hitting the small children? Why these things are being imposed? Why they are inventing these such new things like marching and japa like army? What can I do from such a distant place? They should run and play when they are small children, not forced to chant japa, that is not the way. So I have given you the guiding principles, it is not that I must be consulted with every small detail, that is the business of the in-charge, but if no one is there who can manage in the right way, what can I do? Now if you have got the right idea how to do it, you may go there again and take some responsible post for correcting the situation, that will be your real duty, not that there is some disagreement and I go away disgusted, no. That is not Vaisnava standard. Standard should be that, never mind there is some difficulty, my spiritual master has ordered me to do like this, now let me do it, that's all.
   Hoping this will meet you in good health.

Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami 

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Bhanutanya 18 November, 1972)

 

Please note the following statemants in particular:

 

1. But you may be assured that I am always anxious about the welfare of my disciples, so that I am taking steps to rectify this unfortunate situation.

 

2. Now my advice to you is to give up these feelings and return to your life of Krishna Consciousness devotional service, and if you go back to Dallas school and demonstrate to the other teachers there just the proper way to instruct and discipline the students nicely, that will be a great service.

 

3. Now the thing is, children should not be beaten at all, that I have told. They should simply be shown the stick strongly. So if one cannot manage in that way then he is not fit as teacher.

 

Note "That i have told" so if his so called disciples were not following his instructions which he had told to everyone who was sincere enough to care to hear, what could Srila Prabhupada do from such a distant place ?

 

4. So why these things are going on  marching and chanting japa, insufficient milk, too strict enforcement of time schedules, hitting the small children? Why these things are being imposed? Why they are inventing these such new things like marching and japa like army? What can I do from such a distant place? They should run and play when they are small children, not forced to chant japa, that is not the way. So I have given you the guiding principles, it is not that I must be consulted with every small detail, that is the business of the in-charge, but if no one is there who can manage in the right way, what can I do? 

 

Note: Srila Prabhupada had given all his disciples the guiding principles, especially to the men in charge. Now if they invent things and act out of anger like a gross materialistic demons why blame Srila Prabhupada. If no one was there to manage what can he do. It is very offensive to even suggest that Srila Prabhupada was concealing these things as if he was a conditioned soul acting with material duplicity. Please note the following quotes:

 

And Sri Baladeva Vidyabhusana has given about this arjava, "simplicity." He says that a brahmana even to a enemy will disclose all his secrets. Even to his enemy. Nobody discloses his secrets before an enemy, but a brahmana, if he, even he finds out a enemy, he will disclose all the secrets. He has no secret. Brahmana means open-minded, liberal. And the opposite word is krpana, miser.

(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lecture 1.2.27 Vrndavana, November 7, 1972)

 

Arjava means simplicity. A brahmana is not supposed to be crooked and duplicity. No. Simple. It is said even the enemy wants to know something from him, he will clearly say, "It is this." That is called simplicity. 

(Deity Installation and Initiation Lecture Melbourne, April 6, 1972)

 

Srila Prabhupada is a Maha Bhagavata, a topmost devotee far far beyond a brahmana who is a beginner in the devotion service of the Lord. So your plaintiffs complaint is offensively suggesting that Srila Prabhupada is a mundane crooked creature who doesn't even have the basic human quality of being simple and straight forward. Please act very very quickly to recify your very erroneous conclusion. If not i say onto you, not as a fanatic but on the strength of my Spiritual Masters pure words. YOUR ACTIONS WILL BE A SOURCE OF ALL CALAMITIES.

 

 Thus being advised by the demoniac ministers, Kamsa, who was from the very beginning the greatest rascal, decided to persecute the brahmanas and Vaisnavas, being entrapped by the shackles of all-devouring, eternal time. He ordered the demons to harass all kinds of saintly persons, and then he entered his house. The adherents of Kamsa were all influenced by the modes of passion as well as illusioned by the modes of ignorance, and their only business was to create enmity with saintly persons. Such activities can only reduce the duration of life. The demons accelerated the process and invited their deaths as soon as possible. The result of persecuting saintly persons is not only untimely death. The act is so offensive that the actor also gradually loses his beauty, his fame and his religious principles, and his promotion to higher planets is also checked. Driven by various kinds of mental concoctions, the demons diminish all kinds of welfare. An offense at the lotus feet of the devotees and brahmanas is a greater offense than that committed at the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus a godless civilization becomes the source of all calamities.

(Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Fourth Chapter of Krsna, "Kamsa Begins His Persecutions.")

 

Respectfully submitted,

Mukunda dasa. 

 

  P.S. In regards to the offensive claim that Srila Prabhupada conclealed physical and sexual abuse of children in ISKCON from the public, parents and all but a handful of close advisors. This claim is completely proved false in Srila Prabhupada's letter that i have already pointed out to you. Here are the sections for you to again note with care:

 

Now my advice to you is to give up these feelings and return to your life of Krishna Consciousness devotional service, and if you go back to Dallas school and demonstrate to the other teachers there just the proper way to instruct and discipline the students nicely, that will be a great service.

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Bhanutanya 18 November, 1972)

 

Srila Prabhupada's advice to Bhanutanya dasi is to return to Dallas school demonstrate to the other teachers there just the proper way to instruct and discipline the students nicely. So where is there a question of concealing:

 

Now if you have got the right idea how to do it, you may go there again and take some responsible post for correcting the situation, that will be your real duty, not that there is some disagreement and I go away disgusted, no.

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Bhanutanya 18 November, 1972)

 

She has just being instructed by her Spiritual Master to go and sort things out on his behalf. So she was given full authority so go there, take some responsible post and as his representative REPEAT AND PRACTICALLY APPLY HIS INSTRUCTIONS and thus rectify the situation.

 

Again for your careful consideration are those instructions given by Srila Prabhupada to his representative Bhanutanya dasi in 1972:

 

Now the thing is, children should not be beaten at all, that I have told. They should simply be shown the stick strongly. So if one cannot manage in that way then he is not fit as teacher. If a child is trained properly in Krishna Consciousness, he will never go away. That means he must have two things, love and education. So if there is beating of child, that will be difficult for him to accept in loving spirit, and when he is old enough he may want to go away--that is the danger. So why these things are going on _ marching and chanting japa, insufficient milk, too strict enforcement of time schedules, hitting the small children? Why these things are being imposed? Why they are inventing these such new things like marching and japa like army? What can I do from such a distant place? They should run and play when they are small children, not forced to chant japa, that is not the way.

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Bhanutanya 18 November, 1972)

Another Srila Prabhupada letter from 1972, again clearly showing his great concern for the children at Dallas Gurukula:

 

My Dear Mohanananda,
   Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge your letter dated November 22, 1972, and I have noted the contents with great care. I am very, very glad to hear of your desire to return to Gurukula school and apply yourself to developing that place. I am so glad to hear this good news. Only a few weeks back I had got a letter from Satsvarupa wherein he has informed me that Stoka Krishna has left Dallas and that he must go there to take charge himself. But he is sannyasi and he should travel and preach, and he has not much taste for watching after so many things. So I had suggested him to get a full-time manager, some grhastha, nice husband and wife together, to manage the things, and that he shall expect that such person will stay tightly and develop it and make that his life work. It is the most important preaching work, to train our children in Krishna Consciousness education of life. And I think that you are just the right man to do it. Krishna has given you the right idea, just see! I was also at Dallas school last summer and I was very much impressed with these children, how nicely they are becoming preachers and kirtana men and girls. If we can develop properly, one day they will turn the world by their preaching. Let the small children from all good families in your country come to our Gurukula school and take education from us. They may be certain their children will get the real knowledge which will create the best citizens of brahminical type, clean, honest, law-abiding, healthy, industrious, all good qualities they will have. Now I think Krishna has inspired you in this way, and every facility is there, you are the pioneer in Dallas and you know how to do everything nicely, that I know, so now you go there immediately after consulting with Satsvarupa and Karandhara and Madhudvisa and the others, take their advice and do the needful. If you become Head Master of the Gurukula that is more important than going to South America. This is the most important post in pushing on this movement, practically, because you shall create our preachers of the future, many, many of them. That will be your great credit and contribution. May Krishna give you His all blessings more and more for this task.
   If you still like to contact Hanuman, he is having some difficulty with the governments in these places, but I have just got on letter from him the following address: c.o Agencia Wallis C. A. Edificio Karam, Avenida Urdmeta, P. O. Box 1826, Caracas, Venezuela. But I think it is better if he takes some brahmacaris and sannyasis with him for travelling in such difficult and dangerous places. You are manager with best experience, and besides you have got wife and child to protect, so it will be very much pleasing to me if you shall take up the big work of Gurukula school and develop it very nicely. Thank you for helping me in this way.
   Hope this meets you in good health. 

Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

  (Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Mohanananda Ahmedabad 11 December, 1972)

Interview with Prahlad Das

Prahlad Das responds to Tim Lee's false statements about himself and other Prabhupadanugas.

Basically, in 1997-99 Sanat and Mukunda were objecting to the blaming of Srila Prabhupada (for the gurukuli abuse) in the Windle-Turley lawsuit. So Tim Lee decided to demonize them and label them as "child-choppers" which he has done for the last 20 years.

In 2013 Prahlad Das also objected, so Tim Lee has labelled him as "a child-eating demon" for the last 6 years. This is all to distract from the fact that the actual purpose of Tim Lee and Pratyatosa's lawsuit was to defame Prabhupada, having him be recorded forever in legal history as the complicit leader of a child abuse cult, thus enabling the abusers to go on with their abuses with no fear of future legal proceedings or punishment.

INTERVIEW LINK:

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Puranjana Supports Defamation of Srila Prabhupada:
http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/pada_defamation.html

PRATYATOSA DASA: 
"I'm convinced that if it weren't for the way in which Puranjana (Tim Lee) presented the relevant facts to the high powered lawyer, Windle Turley, the child abuse lawsuit, which reduced the number of gurukuli suicides almost to nil, would have never gotten off the ground. Therefore, I will be forever grateful to him for that reason alone." Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa (19/12/10)

Tim Lee (PADA1008): 
"I did not really "put together" the court case all myself. Pratyatosa contacted Turley and he agreed to take the case. I then helped by recruiting victims to sign up, altogether about 2,000 wanted to sign up. Turley wanted $1,000,000 for each victim so he cut it down to 500 thinking ISKCON could not pay $200M.."

JANMASTAMI SINKOWSKI:"..Those molested who took the lawsuit settlement money signed non-disclosure agreements,promising to repay all they took if they disclose the complaints they made. of the 706 filing, only 6 of us refused the settlement money and are still free to discuss such topics, without possible financial repercussions.."

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Tim Lee (PADA1008):
"Interesting that Prahlad said the only result of the lawsuit was that innocent people were going to have to pay a lot of money. OK people who are supporting a sexual predator school program are not innocent.."

PRAHLAD DAS:
"No. The other results of the Pratyatosa / Tim Lee / Windle Turdley 'prabhupada defamation' lawsuit were that many non-abusive, regular devotees were cast onto the streets as temples were closed to pay the $400.0000. Thanks to Tim and Pratyatosa, the actual abusers got off free and still control iskCON. Bhavananda is currently involved with the TOVP Mayapur project. This lawsuit ensured that they will not be prosecuted in the future as the abuse in iskCON continues. Don't the ex-Gurukulis want to see them brought to justice? The grown-up Gurukulis got paid off for their support of the defamation of Prabhupada as the controller of a child-abuse cult, while letting the actual abusers walk free. I hope they think it was worth it."

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PRAHLAD DAS:
 "I find it rather ironic (and sickening) that self-proclaimed "saviour of the children" Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana) is a good friend and supporter of convicted child-abuser Tattva Darshan. After Tattva's release from prison he was given shelter at iskCON Bangalore by Madhu Pandit where he was allowed to give classes. He is now back in India running his child-abuse project disguised as a Krishna School. The locals call it "the American Fu*k House". Child-Saviour Tim seems to have forgotten to mention any of this. It would appear that he thinks it is more important to spend all his time demonising others for the unforgivable crime of standing up for Srila Prabhupada."

LINK: Tim Lee (Puranjana) supports convicted child-abuser

Tattva Darshan's ongoing child abuse project in Karnataka, supported by Tim Lee, Mahasringa and others. LINK:BEV Village School

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Hear how Srila Prabhupada ordered the Gurukul to be closed as soon as he heard of abuse:

Was Srila Prabhupada Poisoned? (The Evidence)

READ HERE: Kill Guru Become Guru (Book One) pdf

 You try to trace out the history of the world, you’ll find always persons who are for Krsna or God, they have been persecuted. Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, Haridasa Thakura was caned in twenty-two market places, Prahlada Maharaja was tortured by his father. So there may be such things. Of course, Krsna will protect us. So don’t be afraid. Don’t be afraid if somebody tortures us, somebody teases us. We must go on with Krsna consciousness without any hesitation, and Krsna will give us protect. (Srimad Bhagavatam 7.9.8 Lecture Seattle 21/10/68) 

titiksavah karunikah
suhrdah sarva-bhutanam
ajata-satravah santah
sadhavah sadhu-bhusanah

   This is the qualification of sadhu. Sadhu is titiksava, tolerates all kinds of miserable conditions. He is sadhu. Because this is a place of miserable condition. A sadhu learns how to tolerate. Sadhu is never disturbed. Yasmin sthito gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. A sadhu, who has got the shelter of Krsna, if he is placed in the severest type of dangerous condition, he is never disturbed.
   Just like Prahlada Maharaja, his father was putting him in so many dangerous conditions, even he was supplying with poison. He knew that “My father has given me poison to drink. All right, let me drink. If Krsna likes, He will save me. I am now put into such dangerous position. I have to drink. Father is giving poison. Who can check?” And such a big powerful Hiranyakasipu. The mother cried, requested... He forced the mother, Prahlada’s mother, “Give your son this poison.” So she begged so much, but he was a rascal demon. “No, you must give.” So the mother knew, the son knew that the rascal father is giving this poison. What can he do, a small child? “All right, let me drink.” Gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. He is not agitating. “All right, if Krsna likes, I will live.” This is the position of sadhu. He is not disturbed. Titiksavah. In all circumstances, he is tolerant. That is sadhu. Sadhu does not become disturbed. Titiksavah. At the same time, karunikah. He is himself disturbed, but he is merciful to others.
   Just like Jesus Christ. He is being crucified, and still he is merciful: “God, these people do not know what they are doing. Please excuse them.” This is sadhu. He is personally being disturbed by the demons, but still, he is merciful to the general people. They are suffering for want of Krsna consciousness. So even up to the point of death, he is trying to preach Krsna consciousness. “Let the people be benefited. Eh, what is this material body? Even if I am killed, I am not killed. This body is killed, that’s all.” This is sadhu. Titiksavah karunikah. In one side he is tolerant, and other side, merciful. (Bhagavad-gita 1.21-22 Lecture London 18/7/73)

    When something is arranged by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one should not be disturbed by it, even if it appears to be a reverse according to one’s calculations. For example, sometimes we see that a powerful preacher is killed, or sometimes he is put into difficulty, just as Haridasa Thakura was. He was a great devotee who came into this material world to execute the will of the Lord by preaching the Lord’s glories. But Haridasa was punished at the hands of the Kazi by being beaten in twenty-two marketplaces. Similarly, Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, and Prahlada Maharaja was put through so many tribulations.
    The Pandavas, who were direct friends of Krsna, lost their kingdom, their wife was insulted, and they had to undergo many severe tribulations. Seeing all these reverses affect devotees, one should not be disturbed; one should simply understand that in these matters there must be some plan of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Bhagavatam’s conclusion is that a devotee is never disturbed by such reverses. He accepts even reverse conditions as the grace of the Lord. One who continues to serve the Lord even in reverse conditions is assured that he will go back to Godhead, back to the Vaikuntha planets. (Srimad Bhagavatam 3.16.37 purport)

     This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Krsna movement. In India also, although India’s... They will want to crush down this movement. So this will be up to Him. Krsna or Krsna’s movement, the same thing. And Krsna was attempted to be killed by Kamsa class of men and his company, the demons. SO IT WILL BE THERE; IT IS ALREADY THERE. Don’t be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Krsna’s favor is there, because Krsna and Krsna’s movement is not different, identical. So as Krsna was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared... At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killed. SO THERE MAY BE ATTEMPT LIKE THAT. And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO. (Conversation Honolulu 3/5/76)

    So there are these snake-like persons. They are envious about our movement, and they are opposing. That is the nature. Prahlada Maharaja also was opposed by his father, what to speak of others THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN... HE WAS ALSO SERVED WITH POISON. (Srimad Bhagavatam Lecture Mayapur 28/02/77)

THAT IS MY ONLY REQUEST, THAT AT THE LAST STAGE DON’T TORTURE ME AND PUT ME TO DEATH.
(Room Conversation Vrindavan 3/11/77)

'The Order of the Spiritual Master'

Caitanya-Caritamrta Adi 12.9
'Some of the disciples strictly accepted the orders of the acarya, and others deviated, independently concocting their own opinions under the spell of daivi-maya.'

Purport
"This verse describes the beginning of a schism. When disciples do not stick to the principle of accepting the order of their spiritual master, immediately there are two opinions. Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation. There is no scope for adjusting spiritual advancement to material ideas."

"The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless."
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 12.8-10)

"The instructions received from the spiritual master must be followed immediately. One should not deviate from or surpass the instructions of the spiritual master."
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.14, purport)

"Brahma praises Kardama because he carried out the orders of the spiritual master in toto and without cheating [....] To honor the spiritual master means to carry out his instructions word for word." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.24.12, purport)

"Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti also advises that if we want to be successful in our attempt to go back to Godhead, we must very seriously act according to the instruction of the spiritual master. That is the way of perfection. There need be no anxiety over attaining perfection because if one follows the instruction given by the spiritual master he is sure to attain perfection. Our only concern should be how to execute the order of the spiritual master." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.8.71, purport)

"We have to render service to a guru and surrender ourselves. It is not that one should accept just any person as a guru. The guru must be the representative of Krsna; then one can surrender oneself. Surrender means that one will accept whatever the guru says. It is not that one thinks, "I do not care for my guru's order. Still I am a disciple." That is not actually accepting a guru. Of course, it has become a fashion to accept a guru in this way, but this will not help anyone." (Teachings of Lord Kapila)

"There should be no instance in which the disciple or the son says, "This is not correct. I cannot carry it out." When he says that, he is fallen […] the order of the spiritual master is the life and soul of the disciples." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.24.13, purport)

"This acceptance of the words of the spiritual master is called srauta-vakya, which indicates that the disciple must carry out the spiritual master's instructions without deviation. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura remarks in this connection that a disciple must accept the words of his spiritual master as his life and soul." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.72, 77, purport)

"The disciple must stick to whatever the spiritual master orders. Simply by following on that line, one sees the Supreme Personality of Godhead […] Instead of being eager to see the Lord in some bush in Vrndavana while at the same time engaging in sense gratification, if one instead sticks to the principle of following the words of the spiritual master, he will see the Supreme Lord without difficulty." (Bhagavatam 4.28.51, purport)

"As soon as the disciple thinks independently, not caring for the instructions of the spiritual master, he is a failure ." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 8.17.1, purport)

ISKCON Bangalore's "New Form of Sankirtan"

"Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, 500 years back, introduced the sankirtan movement. Sankirtan means large number of people come together and chant the holy names of the Lord together. Srila Prabhupada, when he went to the West, he introduced this nama-sankirtan in the streets of New York, in the streets of Western cities. It was a common sight and everyone knew that Hare Krishna people chanting the holy names of God.

With the rising of so many malls all over the country we were thinking of some innovative way by which the people in the mall could actually witness such sankirtana and that is how we got the idea to fuse the flash mob concept with the sankirtan.

We feel that it's really divinely inspired modern way. It's really historic that a new form of sankirtan has emerged, wherein people very happy to actually watch and participate in chanting the holy names of the Lord. And this is going to set the trend for future sankirtan movement"

(Madhu Pandit Dasa - 'The Making of Hare Krishna Flash Mob' YouTube video - published 12/11/2015)




"I never thought about the audience. I was prepared to chant even if there were no men present to hear me. The principle of chanting is to glorify the Lord and not to attract a crowd. If Krishna hears nicely then he will ask some sincere devotees to gather in such place." (Prabhupada Letter 67-11-12)

"As soon as the disciple thinks independently, not caring for the instructions of the spiritual master, he is a  failure." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 8.17.1, purport)

Please see: Srila Prabhupada - Kirtan Standards

 

Akshaya Patra's Padma Sri Award

How can Madhu Pandit dedicate the recognition for this mundane karmi award to Srila Prabhupada? Feeding the hungry and "leading the cause of education among the government school children" is not Prabhupada's (or Lord Chaitanya's) mission. Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta spoke strongly against Vaisnava devotees getting involved with these social "welfare" programs and Prabhupada described government schools as "slaughterhouses". And why is Madhu Pandit presenting Prabhupada as "a true visionary who wanted to see a hunger free world"? This is totally mis-representing Prabhupada to the public as a mundane social-worker. This is bogus and offensive. Prabhupada actually says that a hunger free world is not possible.:

“Fifty years ago, when I first came to Bombay, at that time I was grhastha. I saw there were persons lying down care of footpath, and fifty years after, we are seeing the same thing is going on. No change. There is a class of men who must lie down care of footpath. There are so many institutions, daridra-narayana-seva. But why there are daridras still? That means you cannot change. It is not possible. It is not possible. Just like a man who has done something criminal and he is in prison. Can you take him out? It will be another criminal action. If you try to take him away from the prison house by some means, then you’ll be punished and he’ll be punished, both. This is the law state. Similarly, how you can surpass the stringent laws of nature and the laws of God? That is not possible.” (Bhagavad Gita 13.21 lecture)

"In the Bhagavad-gītā we don't find anywhere a single line that "You raise funds for," I mean to say, "giving relief to the poor" or "to the suffering." Is there any instruction in Bhagavad-gītā? You have read. Can you find out? But these people, they have become more learned than Kṛṣṇa." (SB 2.9.4 lecture. 22 April 1972)

Akshaya Patra do not distrubute prasadam. Secular goverment regulations do not allow them to. Neither are they allowed to have kirtan or preach at their (GMO?) bhoga distribution programs. They are simply assisting the government to get village children to abandon their vedic culture and attend "slaughterhouse schools". Some may get menial jobs such as working in call centres, the others will be at the mercy of the government, used like slaves just so they can eat. They cannot go back to village vedic life because the government schools do not teach cow-protection or self-sufficient farming. Why do Akshaya Patra facilitate these anti-varnashram activities and serve the cause of Kali in the name of Srila Prabhupada?

“Akshay Patra trustees want the organization to be secular. It cannot associate publicly with religious mission." (Madhu Pandit Das)

Akshaya Patra - Vision and Mission
Akshaya Patra's Philanthropy

Servants of Kali such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, President Obama and Monsanto (who have a partnership with Akshaya Patra) approve of their activities, but does Srila Prabhupada approve? Whose cause are they serving?

Prabhupada - Hitler

UPDATE 15/11/17

Mukunda Das: "I Love Hitler. Closest person we had to a Vedic King...
We should always respect and honour Adolf Hitler. We should give all glories to Adolf Hitler... We should recognise who Adolf Hitler is and offer him all respect and all worship to Adolf Hitler."

 Since the below article was posted Mukunda Das has made dozens of YouTube videos with titles such as "Hitler Predicted The Coming Of Prabhupada", "Hitler & The Waffen SS Protected Caitanya's Sankirtana Movement In It's Embryotic Form" and "Prabhupada Calls For Hitler's Warrior Spirit To Save The World" which only serve to POISON Prabhupada's reputation by repeatedly associating him with Hitler, one of the most hated men in recent history. Why would he do this?

First, Prabhupada's BODY was poisoned, then his BOOKS were poisoned (book-changes), and now Mukunda Das is desperately trying to poison his REPUTATION, so no one will even want to hear him or read his un-changed books. Is this service to Prabhupada? or service to the ADL and other servants of Kali who want to disrupt Prabhupada's mission?

At the time of writing, Mukunda's YouTube channel has 4,966 subscribers, so every time he posts a new Prabhupada+Hitler video all of them will at least see the Hitler/Prabhupada title and thumbnail even if they don't watch the video. And there are all the Prabhupada-Hitler videos in the side-bar. People searching for Hitler videos will see Prabhupada and vice-versa. Many thousands are seeing these and It has cumulative subliminal effect which will make people link Prabhupada to Hitler which will also give ADL an excuse to demonise and censor Srila Prabhupada on the grounds of "anti-semitism" and "holocaust-denial" which is illegal in Germany and other countries. Guilt by association.

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ISKCON Bangalore's spokesman & attack-dog Tim (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) Lee's latest absurd LIE is that I am also a promoter, supporter and “jackboot-licker” of Adolf Hitler on FaceBook - even though I have spent the last 3 years speaking against devotees on FB who selectively quote Srila Prabhupada to make him look like a Hitler-loving, jew-hating, heartless bigot, just to add weight to their own materialistic, political views. These ‘devotees’ then attack me (and/or block me) for posting like this:

Prahlad Das>> “Prabhupada said that maybe Hitler did not kill as many Jews as the allies said he did. He did not say he did not kill any Jews (or other groups). He said Hitler was not so bad man (as the allies said he was) ONLY because he did not use nuclear weapons whereas the allies did (in Japan). NOWHERE DOES PRABHUPADA SAY THAT HIS INITIATED DISCIPLES SHOULD SPEND THEIR TIME PRAISING MATERIALISTIC RASCALS LIKE HITLER IN PUBLIC!

Srila Prabhupada: “Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: “Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.” But we have nothing to do with Hitler in our Krishna Consciousness. Do not be deviated by such ideas.” (Letter to Krsnadasa. Vrindaban. 72-11-07)

Why can’t these Hitler-promoting “devotees” accept this clear instruction from their own Guru? Instead they only make Prabhupada and his followers look like Hitler-loving, fanatical ‘Neo-Nazi’ clowns (all in public). It appears that their love of Hitler is stronger than their love of Srila Prabhupada. Such a shame.

Maybe they should start another Hare Krishna apa-sampradaya?
ISHCON -- The International Society for Hitler Consciousness (aka ‘The Hitleranugas’) ?

And this is the inevitable result of their “preaching”. (Taken from one of Mukunda Dasa’s 100’s of pro-Hitler FB posts):

Jose Rocha>> “I don’t believe S Prabhupada once told Hitler was a good man and also that he did not believe in the concentration camps! These camps were real and the evil on earth! If this is true, I shall leave S Prabhupada right away! HK!”

Just see the nice seva these so-called Vaisnavas are doing for Srila Prabhupada and Lord Chaitanya’s Sankirtan mission!

Here are some examples of what Mukunda Dasa and others are spamming Prabhupada and Hare Krishna FB groups with:

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Prabhupada quotes regarding Hitler

To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)

The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all. (Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)


There is no human being. A big... I gave that a big animal, lion, is fearful to the small animal. But because he is lion, very strong, does it mean that he's a human being? That is going on. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). If one is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he's nothing but animal. So if other small animals praise him, "Oh, you are..." This Gandhi or Indira Gandhi or, and the Hitler and... What is the value? He's a big animal, that's all. (Morning Walk- January 22-23, 1976, Mayapura)
No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection." So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."
(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)

Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhāgavata has said, sva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Puruṣaḥ paśuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Therefore Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Śrī Vyāsadeva.
(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)

The crowlike birds or crowlike men or karmīs, they're envious. You'll find. And even, without any offense... Just like dog: You pass on. Without any offense, he'll bark, "Ow, ow, ow, ow." (laughter) You have no offense. You have no offense, but it will try to pick up some quarrel with you. Sometime it will come to bite you unless you have got sufficient stick to show. (laughter) So, similar... There are dogs and cats and hogs. There are similar men also. They will simply pick up quarrel unnecessarily. Sometimes political leaders... Just like in Europe, Hitler unnecessarily picked up some war, and there was devastation all over the world. You see. There was no gain. The Germany become defeated and bifurcated. So this leader could not do anything good to the nation, but unnecessarily picked up some quarrel. So that is the cause of world trouble, the crowlike men, the doglike men, the hoglike men. So we have to create paramahaṁsas, good men. Then you can expect peace and prosperity. If you create cats and dogs, then how can you expect that there will be peace, there will be no war, there will be no disturbance? (Lecture on SB 6.1.19 -- Los Angeles, January 15, 1970)

So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There were Lenin, there were Stalin, there were Hitler, there were Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill him... Paritrāṇāya sādhūn..., vināśāya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duṣkṛtām, these asuras, Kṛṣṇa does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."
(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)

An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war. Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement.
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)

..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference. Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()

Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the will to power misdirected or misinterpreted.
Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.
(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)

Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.
Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"
Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.
(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)

Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything. The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still. God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.
(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)

Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?
Syämasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
Prabhupäda: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
Syämasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
Prabhupäda: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.
(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)

This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, yat taj jñānam. Kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor yat taj-jñānaṁ mataṁ mama. Kṛṣṇa is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gītā is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)

But now, in modern times, Ravana's dynasty has multiplied into millions. This has given rise to many different opinions, which have made the demons inimical toward one another. Thus they are all competing tooth and nail, trying to kidnap the goddess of fortune, Sita-devi. Each one is thinking, "I am the most cunning, and so I will enjoy Sita-devi all by myself." But like Ravana, all these demons, along with their entire families, are being destroyed. So many powerful leaders like Hitler have come, but enamoured by the illusion of enjoying and exploiting the Supreme Lord's energy and consort—Sita-devi, the goddess of fortune—all of them have been thwarted and crushed in the past, are being thwarted and crushed in the present, and will be thwarted and crushed in the future. The root cause of the aforementioned lament—"In the dispensation of providence, mankind cannot have any rest"—is this demoniac mentality of exploiting and enjoying the Lord's divine energy.
(RTW 1.2 The Cause of Suffering)

Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.. (Srila Prabhupada)Such questions as yours: why there is so-called discrepancy between the views of Bhagavat and modern scientists regarding the moon and other planets, and whether Hitler is good or bad man, these are most insignificant matters, and for anyone who is sincerely convinced that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, for him these questions do not arise.. [..] Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: "Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.'' But WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HITLER IN OUR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS. DO NOT BE DEVIATED BY SUCH IDEAS. Jnanam jneyam jnana-gamyam,'' (ibid), Krishna is knowledge, He is the object of knowledge, He is the goal of knowledge.
(Letter to Krsnadasa. Vrindaban. 72-11-07)

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