Victims of abuse should be compensated but this Turley case was a farce, a lawyers picnic, and it discredited Srila Prabhupada resulting in the victims getting fobbed off with peanuts!
Sunday, 3 March 2024
Whose side is Tim Lee on?
Victims of abuse should be compensated but this Turley case was a farce, a lawyers picnic, and it discredited Srila Prabhupada resulting in the victims getting fobbed off with peanuts!
Sunday, 25 February 2024
THE HYPOCRISY OF THE GURUKULI LAWSUIT by Krishna Kirtan Dasa (2014)
So you want to address hypocrisy? Might as well. It is indeed hard to deal with hypocrisy, so perhaps I can share the following.
I remember being involved one night in an intense spontaneous debate (it was somewhat civilized but very intense) somewhere in 1997/98 in someone's apartment in Alachua, just around when the multimillion dollar lawsuit was taking off. The famous and known Minister of Education of ISKCON, Jagadish, was also present.
ABC News had just aired (or was about to air) that famous documentary on the subject, and Jagadish himself was one of the main persons interviewed in the documentary as a supporter of the lawsuit, criticizing ISKCON and putting blame not only on the organization ISKCON, but including direct blame onto Srila Prabhupada.
It was a heated debate with good points brought forward from both sides. There were many present; and it went on for quite sometime. Jagadish was present, was asked to speak, and he spoke. Pretty much the same rhetoric that was presented on the ABC documentary, heavier.
That night Jagadish himself was then trying to make a case against none other than Srila Prabhupada himself: how all the abuse was ultimately Srila Prabhupada's fault for having created such an institution where the abuse occurred, and so on. [I hope he repented some of what he said.]
Myself being so young (20 at the time), it was hard to deal with so many emotions and attention. Most were in favor of the lawsuit and others were quiet. I remember there were quite a few people present. But I do remember managing to land the following argument:
EVEN if Srila Prabhupada was guilty of anything indirectly (or directly - prove it!), most of the abuse actually occurred AFTER Srila Prabhupada departed. Well, since Jagadish was himself the Minister of Education during these after years, by pure logical reasoning he ought to take AT LEAST 50% of the responsibility for the criminal events against the children, therefore making him not eligible to even speak at all on the subject, what to speak of being the chosen one to appear on nation wide Television on prime-time to represent the case against ISKCON.
To my surprise then, when I said that he appeared shocked and he actually agreed with the logic without saying anything else, and remained quiet for the rest of the night with nothing else to say after that. It had been the first time I had actually voiced my opinion on the subject and stopped someone of that stature on his tracks.
Please kindly don't tell me about hypocrisy, Tim Lee. Remember that I am also one of those who suffered at the hands of incompetent Gurukula teachers. All I can say about myself is that I have interest in actual truth, not mixed or hypocritical presentations of the truth, and that my faith and personal protection resides only in my surrender to Lord Hari, who is the actual shelter of everyone.
Krishna Kirtan
PS. And even beyond the Jagadish hypocrisy, the very tactic used by the lawyers was to attack ISKCON as an organization. RICO. That was their platform.
Instead of suing and addressing the perpetrators of the abuse and their leaders, the whole institution was attacked instead, causing harm to the entire institution, and even to all innocent mass of devotees who are part of ISKCON, and who had nothing to do with any of it. In other words, it was a stealthy contrived plan to destroy Srila Prabhupada's legacy, person, and what he built: namely all his property, institution and everything associated with it.
Therefore the Gurukuli lawsuit was actually an attack on the entire of ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada DIRECTLY by putting blame on HIM, all craftly designed and aimed primarily at destruction. In the end it offered very little return of financial significance for any of the victims, and worse yet: did not punish any of the actual singled out perpetrators actually responsible, including Jagadish, the hypocritical public voice for the lawsuit at the time.
In sum, the lawsuit should not in any way be used as some kind of platform of victorious deeds.
(2014)
I remember being involved one night in an intense spontaneous debate (it was somewhat civilized but very intense) somewhere in 1997/98 in someone's apartment in Alachua, just around when the multimillion dollar lawsuit was taking off. The famous and known Minister of Education of ISKCON, Jagadish, was also present.
ABC News had just aired (or was about to air) that famous documentary on the subject, and Jagadish himself was one of the main persons interviewed in the documentary as a supporter of the lawsuit, criticizing ISKCON and putting blame not only on the organization ISKCON, but including direct blame onto Srila Prabhupada.
It was a heated debate with good points brought forward from both sides. There were many present; and it went on for quite sometime. Jagadish was present, was asked to speak, and he spoke. Pretty much the same rhetoric that was presented on the ABC documentary, heavier.
That night Jagadish himself was then trying to make a case against none other than Srila Prabhupada himself: how all the abuse was ultimately Srila Prabhupada's fault for having created such an institution where the abuse occurred, and so on. [I hope he repented some of what he said.]
Myself being so young (20 at the time), it was hard to deal with so many emotions and attention. Most were in favor of the lawsuit and others were quiet. I remember there were quite a few people present. But I do remember managing to land the following argument:
EVEN if Srila Prabhupada was guilty of anything indirectly (or directly - prove it!), most of the abuse actually occurred AFTER Srila Prabhupada departed. Well, since Jagadish was himself the Minister of Education during these after years, by pure logical reasoning he ought to take AT LEAST 50% of the responsibility for the criminal events against the children, therefore making him not eligible to even speak at all on the subject, what to speak of being the chosen one to appear on nation wide Television on prime-time to represent the case against ISKCON.
To my surprise then, when I said that he appeared shocked and he actually agreed with the logic without saying anything else, and remained quiet for the rest of the night with nothing else to say after that. It had been the first time I had actually voiced my opinion on the subject and stopped someone of that stature on his tracks.
Please kindly don't tell me about hypocrisy, Tim Lee. Remember that I am also one of those who suffered at the hands of incompetent Gurukula teachers. All I can say about myself is that I have interest in actual truth, not mixed or hypocritical presentations of the truth, and that my faith and personal protection resides only in my surrender to Lord Hari, who is the actual shelter of everyone.
Krishna Kirtan
PS. And even beyond the Jagadish hypocrisy, the very tactic used by the lawyers was to attack ISKCON as an organization. RICO. That was their platform.
Instead of suing and addressing the perpetrators of the abuse and their leaders, the whole institution was attacked instead, causing harm to the entire institution, and even to all innocent mass of devotees who are part of ISKCON, and who had nothing to do with any of it. In other words, it was a stealthy contrived plan to destroy Srila Prabhupada's legacy, person, and what he built: namely all his property, institution and everything associated with it.
Therefore the Gurukuli lawsuit was actually an attack on the entire of ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada DIRECTLY by putting blame on HIM, all craftly designed and aimed primarily at destruction. In the end it offered very little return of financial significance for any of the victims, and worse yet: did not punish any of the actual singled out perpetrators actually responsible, including Jagadish, the hypocritical public voice for the lawsuit at the time.
In sum, the lawsuit should not in any way be used as some kind of platform of victorious deeds.
(2014)
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Lawyers are blood-sucking parasites and thieves and we should be very cautious about any involvement with the western judicial system as they themselves are liars and cheats, many of whom are involved (disproportional[y) in Freemasonry and Satanism themselves.
Zionism and Satanic Freemasonry is about to plunge the world into another world war (as this has always been their plan) but all this is an irrelevance to Tim Lee who’s pals in the Freemason controlled police, Rothschilds controlled FBI and CIA, and Illuminati controlled Clinton and Gates puppet, Madhu Pandit are riding the ‘gravy-train’ of success (no westerners allowed of course!).
Even though the Zionist banksters control most of the western world through usury, bribery, war, terrorism, infiltration of “religions”, geo-engineered pyro-terrorism, GMO poison, chemtrail poison, military bio-weapons (disguised as “health measures”), false propaganda, by monopoly of main-stream “mind-control” media lies and deception WE SHOULD NOT DISCUSS THESE TOPICS, ACCORDING TO TIM LEE BECAUSE THE ‘GENERAL PUBLIC’ WHO ARE IN COMPLETE IGNORANCE “MAY GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION!”
Well we are all quite aware of where HIS paycheck is coming from due to his stance on GMO fake “food’, the military depopulation bioweapon VAX666INE, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton what to speak of the Freemason controlled cops and Zionist controlled FBI WHO HAVE BEEN PROTECTING SATANIC PAEDOPHILE CHILD-MURDERING ELITES FOR DECADES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! AND ARE COMPLICIT IN THE GREATEST MASS-MURDER OF THE MILLENNIA!
BUT THE GREAT NEWS IS, ACCORDING TO TIM …….. SOME ISKCON TP’S ARE ALLOWING “RITVIKS’ TO GO TO THE TEMPLE AND “DO SOME SERVICE!” WELL WHAT SORT OF SERVICE IS THAT? … SERVING A CORRUPT CULT OF FREEMASON, ANDROGYNE INFESTED DEMONS! I FOR ONE WOULDN’T WANT TO BE WITHIN 10 MILES OF THESE DEMONS! THEIR ASSOCIATION IS ‘CONTAMINATING AND TOXIC’ … I MUCH PREFER MY OWN SERVICE OF EXPOSING HYPOCRITES AND FOOLS SUCH AS TIM LEE, AN INTELLECTUALLY RETARDED BUCKET-BOY AND FOOL # ONE!
Sudarsana Das Vanacari
(1 March 2024 )